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14 Nov 2007, 6:26 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7091941.stm

Now Denmark is officially a dictatorship! Our dictatorial right wing fascist regime can continue because of the Faeroe Island mandates (the population on the Faeroe Islands are right wing christian fascists).

Denmark is no longer a democracy. It is the dictatorship of the capitalists!

I say they are fascists because the right wing coaltion that just won are supporters of slavery and head taxes!



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14 Nov 2007, 2:23 pm

slavery? you mean underlying slavery through a neo-serfdom or do you mean out and out "get back to work boyyyy" slavery?



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14 Nov 2007, 2:29 pm

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slavery? you mean underlying slavery through a neo-serfdom or do you mean out and out "get back to work boyyyy" slavery?


No, I mean conscription.

ANYONE who believes in conscription believes in slavery, because conscription IS slavery!
It is a fact!

Anyone who deny that conscription is slavery are, in my opinion, just as bad as holocaust-deniers!



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14 Nov 2007, 2:49 pm

dktekno wrote:
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slavery? you mean underlying slavery through a neo-serfdom or do you mean out and out "get back to work boyyyy" slavery?


No, I mean conscription.

ANYONE who believes in conscription believes in slavery, because conscription IS slavery!
It is a fact!

Anyone who deny that conscription is slavery are, in my opinion, just as bad as holocaust-deniers!


ah...conscription...the draft. yeah...the idea of the government owning you is essentially slavery...although one of the more passive forms of slavery. but i agree and don't like it.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:28 pm

Well in some instances a draft is necessary to protect freedom (I'm not saying this case is one of them or not, I don't know much about what is going on in their region). But, what if nobody was drafted into WW2? Hitler might have taken over the world.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:33 pm

Like I said, rather this instance was one of them or not (and honestly I can't say one way or the other), as unfortunate as it may be sometimes violence is necessary and leaders have to be firm in making these decisions. I wouldn't consider it slavery, unless theyr just sending them to die in Iraq for oil profits or something. There are people, uber liberals mainly, who see the world as they wish it was instead of how it really is, and refuse to understand why we sometimes need to make cold stances. Every action or inaction has consequences. Sometimes taking an aggressive or firm stance on something (ie going into war) is the lesser of two evils.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:36 pm

I'd say WW2 would be a perfect example..... What if a bunch of pacifist hippies dodged the draft in WW2, and Hitler ended up winning because nobody fought to stop him? See, there are consequences for being too meek. Yet, there are also consequences for being too blood-thirsty, gung-ho, redneck looking for any excuse to declare war on someone.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:40 pm

Basically, our world is a cold, hellish place. But survival entails that you have to watch your own back first, consciousness comes in to tell you to try and be as humane as possible to others WHERE YOU CAN AFFORD TO. We don't live in Candyland, earth is often a brutal and barbaric place, if your not willing to defend your keep someone else will take it. I know, it's f****d up, but I don't make this the reality, stupid people in large numbers do.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:41 pm

dktekno wrote:
Denmark is no longer a democracy. It is the dictatorship of the capitalists!
That seems sort of crazy to call this the death of democracy. This is a democratic victory according to your link as the parties got elected, and the turnout according the article seemed to be 86%.
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I say they are fascists because the right wing coaltion that just won are supporters of slavery and head taxes!

I can see how conscription can be something that you would not support. I would not support it either under such conditions, but I hardly see how that one political position amounts to fascism, which is a much larger political philosophy. I don't know what you mean by head taxes though.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:50 pm

Conscription means a draft right? I am personally against a draft if it's to send them to Iraq to push an agenda where politicians profit off of oil and strip away our freedoms. But, then again it might not be for that, I don't know the situation so I can't say rather a draft is necessary for Denmark or not.



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14 Nov 2007, 5:51 pm

If they've got a hostile enemy threatening to take them over or something, then a draft would be necessary.



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15 Nov 2007, 12:56 am

What do you mean "Now"? Isn't it the same government as before, so there is no change?

However (because I am curious and uninformed), has there been a swing to the right wing of politics because of the Jutland cartoons?


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15 Nov 2007, 3:42 pm

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However (because I am curious and uninformed), has there been a swing to the right wing of politics because of the Jutland cartoons?


No, because even the opposition at that time was strongly in favor of saying no to any demands from the arab-muslim world.

They too support freedom of speech.

Denmark has been close to turn right wing. The first time was in 1998 election, when mandates from Greenland and Faeroe Islands saved the social democratic government.

Then in 2001 this government could not continue any longer.

In the 1970's Denmark was very socialist and we abolished the death penalty for military crimes in 1976, then in the 1980's we turned conservative, and followed the Reagan government in the US.

In 1992 we got a social democratic government as we saw how the conservative government was too americanized. At the same time America turned Democratic with Clinton.

Then the danes wanted to follow the americans again.

When the americans elected George W. Bush, in 2000 the danes again turned to follow the americans, and in 2001 elected another pro-american government to follow in the footsteps of the americans.

The past 30 years Denmark has been very americanized.
We do what americans do. When americans elect a Democratic government, we elect a Social Democratic government. When americans elect a Republican government, we elect a center-right government.

Denmark is a social democratic version of the US.

Funny enough, when Bill Clinton in 1995 said that all americans who recive financial assistance had to get into activation programs, our Social Democratic PM, Poul Nyrup, did the same thing for those who recieve cash assistance in Denmark.

We do what americans do - just in bit more moderate way.



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15 Nov 2007, 5:21 pm

dktekno wrote:
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We do what americans do - just in bit more moderate way.

us too :|


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16 Nov 2007, 2:53 am

Then again, WWII wouldnt have been so terrible if hitler hadn't also drafted his people.



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16 Nov 2007, 3:46 am

No-one should be able to buy political power, and every law-abiding citizen should have the same freedoms as the next man. I also believe in the minimum wage, state medical care, and education. Those are services which would otherwise cost the earth, and the competitiveness would ruin their fairness and quality. Competition isn't always good. Democracies should be fair and free, not swayed towards any particular group with special interests. That means both freedoms and regulations for businesses, and freedoms, rights, state services, and justice for the individual citizen and society. The two have to be balanced.


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