You'll Never See a Canadian Politician Behave Like That!

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

My disclaimer: Personally, I do not have anything against anybody coming from a different part of the world and / or being of a different denomination than my own. If they want to come and make themselves a life in my country, then by all means come in and make yourselves comfortable but leave your political baggage back home.

Subject: FW: for Canadians: this little tidbit was heard all the way "up over"

Canada Needs A Leader Like This!


Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on Nation al Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Canadian citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

If you agree please SEND THIS ON .

That's a pretty good little rant.

Australia sits right next to Indonesia, which is the world's most populous Moslem nation.

I tend to think that American Christians are somewhat more extreme in their views. For example, American Christians don't drink beer, whereas Australian Christians drink quite a lot of beer.

In America, I think that Tom Tancredo is the presidential candidate that comes the closest, with his anti-immigrant stances.

Hey panda,

I come from a red-neck mining town where copious beer-drinking is part of the local culture. I'll challenge any Australian beer drinker any day

Heh, still it seems like he's saying "muslim theocracy is bad, christian theocracy is good". A theocracy is a theocracy, no matter what religious label he wants to put on it, and his rant exposed his hypocracy. I have no problem with christians or muslims, it's when they get so fanatically caught up in their point of view that they refuse to see others' points of view, that is where the problem lies.

What about Scotch whiskey? Love that stuff, cuz one sip goes a long way. It's also good for when I have a sore throat.

But ya, I drink fine beers. I'm either not American or not Christian!

I mean he says he "accepts their beliefs" and "will not question why", yet, he's pretty much saying "you can only pass legislation on ---MY--- god's laws, because --MY-- god is the law reguardless of what jews or atheists or budhist or whatever don't like it".
I know because I've seen this a thousand times before, here in the US the right wing Christian republicans are just like that..... If you call them on their ignorance and push them into a corner (verbally speaking), they will --SAY-- they are tolerant of other peoples' beliefs, this is a lie and they know it. Because their idea seems to be to pass laws and legislation off of their interpretation of their bible, which will not only exlude, but subjugate all non-believers to their religion.

I'm against integration of church and state, I'm against integration of mosque and state, I am against religion of any type being fused into politics in any modernized free nation.

When one man's religion is another man's law, an infringement has been enacted.

I have now come to think that on some level, all law is somebody's religion. Then again, I see law as a moral imposition and morality as something that can only exist by faith, as there is no way I can see or eat a moral and to be honest I have doubted the actual existence of morality enough times to see this as an issue.

Morality is not faith based, if anything faith is the mortal enemy of morality because faith means blindly following everything a group does. My definition of morality is acting in a way that hurts nobody else. There are exceptions to this, if someone deserves to be punished because they've done something wrong to someone, or if it is out of survival.

But even moral punishment has it's principals. It would not be right to shoot someone because they stole your cheeseburger at McD's.

In other words, moral punishment should be logically balanced, the punishment should not exceed the wrongful deed.

Also, secular law is not a religion. One might try to argue that it is atheist, but it is not to play favorites to atheists so much as it is to keep everyone's beliefs equal.... It's a compromise between faiths.

Faith does not mean blindly following everything a group does at all. Faith means belief in that which cannot be known. Proper moral principles and proper ways to live are unknowable. Ultimately because of the entire unknowability and perhaps impossibility as some would argue of "ought", means that any principle we come up with will end up having some illegitimacy.



Why not?



I really wanted that cheeseburger, really though, how can we perfectly figure out the wrongful deed vs the punishment? I mean, isn't this entire matter of proper retribution based upon a notion of justice that is untestable and unfigurable?



Well, nobody worships secular law depending upon how we define it. Some might (and probably do) idolize the idea of a perfect secular government.



Can't these compromises become a faith in and of themselves? A notion to be idolized by some fools in the world?

Good goig AUssie PM! Stand up for your country!

Well, you are from Suds-bury.