Funny. No *Religion* Can Explain Creation Mathematically

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31 Dec 2007, 7:34 am

Except Judaism.
Why is that?


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31 Dec 2007, 9:39 am

You're really going to have to explain this. I've read about Hebrew numerology, but that is not mathematical proof of divine creation.



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31 Dec 2007, 10:45 am

Phagocyte wrote:
You're really going to have to explain this. I've read about Hebrew numerology, but that is not mathematical proof of divine creation.


Yes - gematria is numerology which is based on the Hebrew letters, each on being a component and symbol building block of Creation.

This page explains the mathematics encoded within the Torah via the 22 letters - http://www.torahscience.org/communicat/ ... guage.html


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02 Jan 2008, 1:49 pm

Every religion thinks it is the only true one. Yours is no exception.


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02 Jan 2008, 3:05 pm

I saw the movie Pi with it's mysterious repeating number sequence that explained the universe but destroyed those that got too close. The message I took from that was not to try too hard. Kinda like that DeNiro movie ... can't handle the truth.



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02 Jan 2008, 3:29 pm

As a sociologist of religion, I am fascinated by deductive, or first-principles, religious systems, but I do not find triumphalism or exclusivism to be personally appealing. All deductive systems make sense out of experience (assuming one accepts the premises). However, they are also circular.


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02 Jan 2008, 4:18 pm

monty wrote:
I saw the movie Pi with it's mysterious repeating number sequence that explained the universe but destroyed those that got too close. The message I took from that was not to try too hard. Kinda like that DeNiro movie ... can't handle the truth.


Good movie, but I really didn't like the message; Aronofsky's The Fountain squandered its potential with similar anti-achievement themes (except it wasn't even good).


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02 Jan 2008, 4:30 pm

monty wrote:
I saw the movie Pi with it's mysterious repeating number sequence that explained the universe but destroyed those that got too close. The message I took from that was not to try too hard. Kinda like that DeNiro movie ... can't handle the truth.

Reminds me of a classic Asimov short story, about scientists who die (either of natural causes, or suicide) while working on a force field that would contain nuclear explosions (thus rendering fusion bombs moot). One who had abandoned the project hypothesized the existence of an alien force, which placed certain limits on the expansion of humanity - like a biologist cultivating a bacterial culture in a Petri dish, with a barrier of penicillin surrounding the culture to kill any bacteria that strayed too far. At the end of the story, he returned to the project, completed the calculations at fever pitch - and hung himself the morning of the successful demonstration of the field. His suicide note read,"It's too late for them now. The culture has escaped the containment."


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02 Jan 2008, 6:03 pm

Wow. Does it still work if you use binary, octal or hexadecimal? Or is base 10 suddenly proof god exists.



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02 Jan 2008, 7:02 pm

*shifty eyes*
Well, if I were a numerologist - and I'm not - I would say that perhaps there is a mystical magic behind the number 10, and by extension base 10. We have ten fingers, ten toes. A numerologist would interpret these as signs of further divine order.


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02 Jan 2008, 7:42 pm

*shifty eyes*
Well, if I were a numerologist - and I'm not - I would map numbers to musical scales and look for harmonic relationships. Which scale? That's the beautiful thing! There are so many musical scales, that you can pick one that will sound nice for a given set of numbers. Base 5? Sure. And if that doesn't work, try base 6 (or 7, or ??). I like base 12!!



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02 Jan 2008, 7:55 pm

lol! never said it made sense, but you can always try to rationalize. :lol: Personally, I think base 10 is a little ugly. oct all the way.

Numerology reminds me of a very silly joke I heard once. Christmas, and Halloween have a mystical connection, one being a very holy day and the other an ominous, evil day, forming a complementary pair. Because DEC 25 = OCT 31. Coincidence? I think not. ;)


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03 Jan 2008, 8:56 am

That's what I'm talking about! The connections are there!!

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those that understand binary, and those that don't.



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04 Jan 2008, 12:04 pm

jjstar wrote:
Except Judaism.
Why is that?


When you consider that Christianity is Judaism with Jesus being the Son of God, there's one more.



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04 Jan 2008, 12:51 pm

Christianity grew out of Judaism and there are many common elements. But they are rather different, and I don't know of any Christian churches that promote the study of Kaballah or Hebrew numerology.

On the other hand, there probably are other religions that have a numerology system that claims to explain the universe - may Hinduism, I don't know.



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04 Jan 2008, 1:01 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
Every religion thinks it is the only true one. Yours is no exception
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