My first try at translating Hebrew w helps
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Since I've started studying Hebrew I've wanted to translate the Creation account since it is my favorite part of the Bible. This is my first order result using tools to help figure verb forms and whatnot. One thing I've noticed from studying the Hebrew is that humankind is named by God after the first man, Adam.
Ben's Elementary Translation of the Creation account.
Day 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth; and the earth was without form and empty: darkness was upon the face of the deep and the Spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters. So God said, “exist light” and then light existed. And God saw that the light was good. Thus God separated between the light and darkness. And God called the light “day” and the darkness “night”. And there was dusk and there was dawn, one complete day.
Day 2
And God said, “exist an expanse to separate the waters and exist division between the waters and the waters.” Thus God made the expanse and divided between the waters above and the waters below. And it was so. And God named the expanse heaven. And there was dusk and there was dawn, the second day.
Day 3
And God said, “exist the waters below heaven in one ocean and appear the dry ground.” And it was so. Then God gave names; to dry ground, Land; to the collection of waters, Sea. And God saw that it was good. And God said, “Sprout the earth sprouts; herbs seeding seed, of fruit trees producing fruit after its kind which is in it on the earth.” And it was so. And bore the earth sprouts: herbs seeding seeds after its kind and trees producing fruit after its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was dusk and there was dawn, the third day.
Day 4
And God said, “exist lights in the expanse of the heavens: to divide between the day and the night, and be for guideposts, and for seasons, and for days, and years, and exist for lighting the earth from the expanse of heaven." And it was so. And God made two main light sources: The greater for ruling the day and the lesser for ruling the night. And the stars, God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth and rule over the day and night and to separate between light and darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was dusk and there was dawn, the forth day.
Day 5
And God said, “Swarm waters with swarmers having a living soul and flying creatures fly around over the earth across the face of the expanse of the heavens.” And God created the great whales and all living souls that creep with which the waters swarm after their kind and all flying creatures with wings after their kind. And God saw that it was good and blessed them saying, “Be fruitful and multiply: fill the waters of the Sea and the flying creatures multiply on the Land.” And there was dusk and there was dawn, the fifth day.
Day 6
And God said, “Bring forth the earth living souls after their kinds: cattle, reptiles, and all land animals after their kinds.” And it was so. Thus God made the land animals after their kinds, and the cattle after their kinds, and all creepers of the ground after their kinds. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let Us make Adam in Our image according to Our likeness and let them rule over fish of the Sea, over flying creatures of the heavens, over the cattle over all the Earth and over all the creepers creeping on the land.” And God created the Adam in His image; in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. And God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish of the Sea, the flying creatures of the heavens, over all the life moving on the Earth.” And God said, “Behold, I have given you all herbs seeding seed which is on the face of all the Land and every tree which bears fruit containing seed, to you it shall be for food. And to all land animals and to every flying creature of the heavens and to all creatures on the Earth which in it is a living soul: every green herb for food.” And it was so. And God saw all that He had made, and behold: it was very good! And there was dusk and there was dawn, the sixth day.
Day 7
And the heavens and the earth were finished and all their host. God finish on the seventh day from the work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God bless the seventh day and sanctified it because on it He rested from all the work He had done in Creation.
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This is the history of the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 – 2:4a Ben's attempt at translation from elementary knowledge of Hebrew with help from E-Sword and his interlinear Bible.
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Seems fine to me Parakeet, it's a lot like the KJV, I don't see a lot of difference there, only the words seeding and creeping.
Adam was created first and Jesus refers to God as His Father. Only the Hebrew for Spirit, Ruach, is a feminine noun. I don't know though. The Imago Deo is a spiritual difference and not a physical difference between man and animals. We have a different type of soul than do the other creatures and it is in God's Image is the way I read it.
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I'm only teaching myself too. The book is Biblical Hebrew by Menahem Mansoor. I've found there are three types of Hebrew: Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Anglicized. This textbook teaches Sephardic Hebrew. It's nice to be able to pronounce the words as they are in Israel, but my main focus is to be able to read the Masoretic text.
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Elohim itself is plural for God. This is the first reference to the Trinity, I don't see why you have a problem with it. I just finished reading a chapter of Grudem on the doctrine of the Trinity, and most of the evidence listed is in the Old Testament. After going through all of the relevant verses, the Bible has three main teachings on this:
1. God is three persons.
2. Each person is fully God.
3. There is one God.
Also there is equality in the Trinity among persons, but subordination of roles. I'm sure you just are trying to poke fun at what you don't get, but if I'm wrong and you are actually interested maybe you should read Systematic Theology by Grudem. There are more exhaustive works on the subject too, but it depends what your goal is.
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Thanks. Linguistics has been a hobby for me since I got my first etymological dictionary. When I worked fast food I could take orders from customers in Spanish, which some really seemed to appreciate.
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Elohim itself is plural for God. This is the first reference to the Trinity, I don't see why you have a problem with it. I just finished reading a chapter of Grudem on the doctrine of the Trinity, and most of the evidence listed is in the Old Testament. After going through all of the relevant verses, the Bible has three main teachings on this:
1. God is three persons.
2. Each person is fully God.
3. There is one God.
Also there is equality in the Trinity among persons, but subordination of roles. I'm sure you just are trying to poke fun at what you don't get, but if I'm wrong and you are actually interested maybe you should read Systematic Theology by Grudem. There are more exhaustive works on the subject too, but it depends what your goal is.
liquid, gas, and solid. so i'll believe in the trinity for the time being
but do you think man had kingship ovah monstahs? i guess is what im really asking here
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"...let them rule over fish of the Sea, over flying creatures of the heavens, over the cattle over all the Earth and over all the creepers creeping on the land.”
Creepers, refers to the mode of transportation and can mean some reptiles or insects generally. As to whether or not dinosaurs existed with man I'd have to say that accounts in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, and other European histories, of dragons sound morphologically similar to Therapods and Ornithosauria. Certainly stories and myths like St George are fake, but not all accounts are made invalid by a work of fiction.
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Yes and no. If you look at the very first verse, it's "B'reishit bara Elokim" (I switched the h with a k so as to not write the name of G-d), "In the beginning of G-d creating". "Bara" is in the present-tense singular form, and this is consistent with the rest of the text. The plural "Elokim" is merely use of the royal "We". Also, in reference to Genesis 1:26, the medieval Biblical commentator Rashi wrote:
Let us make man Even though they [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel (to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies), Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself. And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it [i. e., in the following verse:]“And God created (וַיִּבְרָא) ,” and it does not say,“and they created וַיִּבְרְאוּ.” - [from Gen. Rabbah 8:9]
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I have heard of that before. Systematic Theology by Grudem says (p 227)
1. Both Alexander the Great (in 152 BC) and king Demetrius (about 145 BC) refer to themselves in this way, for example, in the Septuagint text of 1 Macc. 10:19 and 11:31, but this is in Greek, not Hebrew, and is written long after Genesis 1.
2. See E. Kautzsch, ed., Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar, 2nd ed. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1910), Section 124g, n. 2, with reference to the suggestion of plural of majesty: "The plural used by God in Genesis 1:26, 11:7, Isaiah 6:8 has been incorrectly explained in this way." They understand Gen. 1:26 as "a plural of self-deliberation." My own extensive search of subsequent Jewish interpretation in the Babylonian Talmud, the targumim and the midrashim showed only that latter Rabbinic interpreters were unable to reach agreement on any satisfactory interpretation of this passage, although the "plural of majesty" and "God speaking to angels" interpretations were commonly suggested.
Two undergrad books I've found interesting in this context are:
Berlin, Adele, and Marc Zvi Brettler, eds., Michael Fishbane, senior consulting editor. 2004. The Jewish Study Bible: Featuring the Jewish Publication Society Tanakh Translation. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
Pritchard, James B, ed. 1958. The Ancient Near East, Volume 1: An Anthology of Texts and Pictures. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press
I think it's great you are pursuing this, by the way. An interesting experience I had in taking my undergrad coursework in theology was gathering source materials related to Job and translating the last few chapters (39-40ish through 42, I think.) I recommend that particular task, someday.
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