War between European countries in the next five years?

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xenon13
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22 May 2010, 9:32 pm

The news out of Europe is alarming. Angela Merkel insists on deflating half of Europe and this crime won't be forgotten. I'm sure that some Germans remember when the Entente through Chancellor Heinrich Bruning deflated Germany and this led directly to Hitler's taking power. This is something that however has been obscured over the years. Nevertheless, whenever a country is forced into policies that punish most of the population, this leads to anger, resentment and war. Many recent conflicts involved the IMF and structural adjustment policies causing populations to feel cheated in such places as Rwanda and Yugoslavia. The EU people even admit that what they're doing is punishing the people of Greece and their answer to this manufactured crisis is to be even more severe and punitive in future. This is going to end in war, I think.



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22 May 2010, 9:39 pm

Who's going to fight who? Europe has arranged itself politically so as to avoid any further wars among themselves. To predict imminent war between European nations is so outlandish as to make the Communists' predictions of the proletarian revolution seem perfectly sensible in comparison.


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22 May 2010, 9:50 pm

I'll tend to agree with Orwell on this issue.



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22 May 2010, 9:54 pm

Europe's economically integrated to the point where war would be catastrophic - I mean, worse than Ireland, Spain, and Portugal all going down like the Greece. Much worse.

I do worry about rightwing nationalists and militant Islamophobes getting close to those in power, though.



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22 May 2010, 9:58 pm

Gimme a gun and sign me up. I've always wanted to see continental Europe. Hunting down all the neo-fascist militant extremists is a great government sponsored vacation. France, German, Italy, and then on to Greece and the rest of the Balkans.

Just get me out of Russia by winter and we'll be ok.



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22 May 2010, 10:05 pm

I doubt it. I could see one in eastern Europe like with Russia and Georgia but def not western europe.



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22 May 2010, 11:06 pm

There was a war in Yugoslavia. Don't give me "the Serbs and Croats always hated each other", I could say the same thing about the Germans and the French or whatever others that have warred over the centuries. People are going to look for scapegoats. There's going to be violence, you can take that to the bank.

What's going on are these countries going off a cliff. There's going to be a great deflation. The plutocracy is being openly sadistic. Naturally, if you have a situation where people might lynch the plutocrats they'll tell them to blame the krauts or whoever else.

The Greek situation has been used to whip up animosity against nations. There has been anti-Greek propaganda in the media and this already has led to mutual resentment. The attacks on Greeks have been personal and civilisational.



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22 May 2010, 11:13 pm

xenon13 wrote:
There was a war in Yugoslavia. Don't give me "the Serbs and Croats always hated each other", I could say the same thing about the Germans and the French or whatever others that have warred over the centuries. People are going to look for scapegoats. There's going to be violence, you can take that to the bank.

What's going on are these countries going off a cliff. There's going to be a great deflation. The plutocracy is being openly sadistic. Naturally, if you have a situation where people might lynch the plutocrats they'll tell them to blame the krauts or whoever else.

The Greek situation has been used to whip up animosity against nations. There has been anti-Greek propaganda in the media and this already has led to mutual resentment. The attacks on Greeks have been personal and civilisational.


The economies of both those regions were nowhere near as developed as Western Europe, nor were their governments (weak, ineffectual, post-communist states) anywhere near as competent as the ones in Western Europe. If there is going to be any hatred in Western Europe, it will be directed against the Muslim underclass and Eastern European immigrants (if the UK is any precedent), not each other.



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22 May 2010, 11:24 pm

Orwell wrote:
Who's going to fight who? Europe has arranged itself politically so as to avoid any further wars among themselves. To predict imminent war between European nations is so outlandish as to make the Communists' predictions of the proletarian revolution seem perfectly sensible in comparison.


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23 May 2010, 3:25 am

Their alleged competence is not preventing the economic equivalent of Jim Jones' white night from being carried out. It's shocking to see this suicide go on.



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23 May 2010, 12:06 pm

xenon13 wrote:
Their alleged competence is not preventing the economic equivalent of Jim Jones' white night from being carried out. It's shocking to see this suicide go on.


The government has dealt with the disaster much better than Germany did in the 1930s. While the standard of living has been depressed, there isn't an Weimarization (or even "Americanization" - i.e. massive homelessness) of the Western European Working Poor. Matters are still more stable than in the late Weimar Republic.



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23 May 2010, 12:30 pm

On the plus side, if Europe undergoes massive deflation, then a European vacation would become affordable finally.



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23 May 2010, 12:33 pm

pandabear wrote:
On the plus side, if Europe undergoes massive deflation, then a European vacation would become affordable finally.


I've been telling peers that now's the time to go to Greece.



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23 May 2010, 1:11 pm

There is an attempt to make the Eurozone a place of permanent deflation and high unemployment by putting all the countries in an even tighter neoliberal straitjacket. This is foolishness. The problem with the Eurozone is that it rules out flexibility in pursuing economic policies, particularly those that help ordinary people.



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23 May 2010, 1:33 pm

about as likely as canada invading the USA



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23 May 2010, 1:47 pm

Europe is so economically integrated that a war between European powers could not be managed. On of the reasons why Germany became a war-maker following the the Versailles Treaty was that she was isolated, looted and cut out from the other nations. This created just the situation for the Man on a Horse to ride in and Right The Wrong Done to the Fatherland.

No such thing happened following WW2.

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