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26 May 2008, 4:56 am

US sniper shoots at Qur'an for target practice. In related news, protests left 3 dead in Afghanistan.







*Note these are links if you are wondering what is going on :roll: *


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26 May 2008, 5:07 am

I thought the US Army motto was Cuius Testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum. :?


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26 May 2008, 5:24 am

Winning or killing?


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26 May 2008, 8:45 am

I do like the sarcastic thread title. (Hey! I picked up on the sarcasm this time! :cheers:)


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26 May 2008, 10:06 am

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I thought the US Army motto was Cuius Testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum. :?


What does that mean is English? I don't know Latin :?



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26 May 2008, 10:24 am

Speckles wrote:
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I thought the US Army motto was Cuius Testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum. :?


What does that mean is English? I don't know Latin :?

Literally, "When you have them by the balls, you have their hearts and minds." It's form Discworld sci-fi series. There are more "euphemistic" translations given within the books. It's rumored to have been introduced by a Nixon advisor originally.

And if you're wondering how I know all this random trivia... Google and Wikipedia are the twin triumphs of modern society.


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26 May 2008, 11:19 am

Argh, sometimes I think everybody in the Middle East should be given a brain or a good sense of humour.

Sniper: "Dur, let's shoot that book"

Iman: "He shot that book, let's shoot at people."


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26 May 2008, 11:21 am

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Argh, sometimes I think everybody in the Middle East should be given a brain or a good sense of humour.

Sniper: "Dur, let's shoot that book"

Iman: "He shot that book, let's shoot at people."

Yeah, I agree. They need to stop worshipping a pile of inked-up paper bound into a neat little stack. The book itself can never be holy, regardless of what you believe about its message. Certainly some paper and ink isn't important enough to kill over?


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26 May 2008, 8:59 pm

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Yeah, I agree. They need to stop worshipping a pile of inked-up paper bound into a neat little stack. The book itself can never be holy, regardless of what you believe about its message. Certainly some paper and ink isn't important enough to kill over?


To some people (me included) scripture is to be respected and revered.

Here is an example of such reverence by Sikhs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Grant ... e_Observed


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26 May 2008, 9:02 pm

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Yeah, I agree. They need to stop worshipping a pile of inked-up paper bound into a neat little stack. The book itself can never be holy, regardless of what you believe about its message. Certainly some paper and ink isn't important enough to kill over?


To some people (me included) scripture is to be respected and revered.

Here is an example of such reverence by Sikhs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Grant ... e_Observed

It's one thing to respect the message and the theology. It's quite another to kill over inanimate corporeal objects. That is idolatry.


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26 May 2008, 9:08 pm

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That is idolatry.



i guarantee you that most people wouldn't comprehend that idea.



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26 May 2008, 9:26 pm

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That is idolatry.



i guarantee you that most people wouldn't comprehend that idea.

OK. That's what Google is for if they want to know.


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26 May 2008, 9:29 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
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That is idolatry.



i guarantee you that most people wouldn't comprehend that idea.

OK. That's what Google is for if they want to know.



no, i mean the concept that their reverence for a physical object could be beyond simple reverence and into the realm of idolatry.


and those people wouldn't be able to find it in google. :P



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26 May 2008, 9:33 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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skafather84 wrote:
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That is idolatry.



i guarantee you that most people wouldn't comprehend that idea.

OK. That's what Google is for if they want to know.



no, i mean the concept that their reverence for a physical object could be beyond simple reverence and into the realm of idolatry.


and those people wouldn't be able to find it in google. :P

Oh... well, even if you don't consider idolatrous, isn't it fairly evidently stupid? Some bound-up paper isn't the Qu'ran or the Bible or the Torah, the message inside is what matters. Unless you're talking about the last existing copy of one of these books, I can't see what there is to be upset about. The message that is valued isn't lost when paper is destroyed. A piece of paper is lost. Which might be wasteful or pointless, but not really a reason to kill. Human life>paper+ink. Dunno how else to explain that concept.


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26 May 2008, 9:36 pm

Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
That is idolatry.



i guarantee you that most people wouldn't comprehend that idea.

OK. That's what Google is for if they want to know.



no, i mean the concept that their reverence for a physical object could be beyond simple reverence and into the realm of idolatry.


and those people wouldn't be able to find it in google. :P

isn't it fairly evidently stupid?



apparently not. sad, really but for how stupid you think the world is: make it roughly 15 times that.



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26 May 2008, 9:41 pm

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Oh... well, even if you don't consider idolatrous, isn't it fairly evidently stupid? Some bound-up paper isn't the Qu'ran or the Bible or the Torah, the message inside is what matters. Unless you're talking about the last existing copy of one of these books, I can't see what there is to be upset about. The message that is valued isn't lost when paper is destroyed. A piece of paper is lost. Which might be wasteful or pointless, but not really a reason to kill. Human life>paper+ink. Dunno how else to explain that concept.


I had this very conversation with a friend yesterday.

If you think of it as nothing more than pieces of paper, why follow it? Why live for it? It is much more than that. It is the living Word. Once it becomes written, it becomes Holy. It is not like any other word out there because of its importance. This is what is meant by taking the Lord in vain. This is His work, to not treat it vainly. Cherish it as your own.


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