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18 Jul 2008, 8:45 pm

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I'd have to agree on this one. Animals are not necessarily atheists and atheists are not necessarily animals. But all athiests are human. Animals can't understand such lofty concepts as God and religion. Even the cleverest of animals simply don't do that much abstract thinking.


but, but, but. . . .

Jesus our brother, kind and good
Was humbly born in a stable rude
And the friendly beasts around Him stood
Jesus our brother, kind and good.

"I," said the donkey, shaggy and brown,
"I carried His mother up hill and down;
I carried her safely to Bethlehem town."
"I," said the donkey, shaggy and brown.

"I," said the cow, all white and red
"I gave Him my manger for a bed;
I gave Him my hay to pillow His head."
"I," said the cow, all white and red.

"I," said the sheep with curly horn,
"I gave Him my wool for His blanket warm;
He wore my coat on Christmas morn."
"I," said the sheep with curly horn.

"I," said the dove from the rafters high,
"Cooed Him to sleep that He should not cry;
We cooed Him to sleep, my mate and I."
"I," said the dove from the rafters high.

"I," said the camel, yellow and black,
"Over the desert, upon my back,
I brought Him a gift in the Wise Men's pack."
"I," said the camel, yellow and black.

Thus every beast by some good spell
In the stable dark was glad to tell
Of the gift he gave Emmanuel,
The gift he gave Emmanuel

sniff. . .sniff. . .


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19 Jul 2008, 3:26 am

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No, it's a formal logical fallacy.

You are saying:
Atheists do worship anything.
Animals do not worship anything.
Therefore atheists are animals.

this is the fallacy of the undistributed middle.


I never said anything.

You are saying:
Atheists eat animals.
Animals eat animals.
Therefore atheists are animals.

:scratch:

or was it:
Atheists worship animals
Animals worship atheists.
Therefore animals are atheists

???


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19 Jul 2008, 12:03 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
I'd have to agree on this one. Animals are not necessarily atheists and atheists are not necessarily animals. But all athiests are human. Animals can't understand such lofty concepts as God and religion. Even the cleverest of animals simply don't do that much abstract thinking.


but, but, but. . . .

Jesus our brother, kind and good
Was humbly born in a stable rude
And the friendly beasts around Him stood
Jesus our brother, kind and good.

"I," said the donkey, shaggy and brown,
"I carried His mother up hill and down;
I carried her safely to Bethlehem town."
"I," said the donkey, shaggy and brown.

"I," said the cow, all white and red
"I gave Him my manger for a bed;
I gave Him my hay to pillow His head."
"I," said the cow, all white and red.

"I," said the sheep with curly horn,
"I gave Him my wool for His blanket warm;
He wore my coat on Christmas morn."
"I," said the sheep with curly horn.

"I," said the dove from the rafters high,
"Cooed Him to sleep that He should not cry;
We cooed Him to sleep, my mate and I."
"I," said the dove from the rafters high.

"I," said the camel, yellow and black,
"Over the desert, upon my back,
I brought Him a gift in the Wise Men's pack."
"I," said the camel, yellow and black.

Thus every beast by some good spell
In the stable dark was glad to tell
Of the gift he gave Emmanuel,
The gift he gave Emmanuel

sniff. . .sniff. . .


That is a nice little rhyme, but the sentiment is odd coming from someone called sinsboldly.



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19 Jul 2008, 12:30 pm

slowmutant wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
I'd have to agree on this one. Animals are not necessarily atheists and atheists are not necessarily animals. But all athiests are human. Animals can't understand such lofty concepts as God and religion. Even the cleverest of animals simply don't do that much abstract thinking.


but, but, but. . . .

Jesus our brother, kind and good
Was humbly born in a stable rude
And the friendly beasts around Him stood
Jesus our brother, kind and good.
sniff. . .sniff. . .


That is a nice little rhyme, but the sentiment is odd coming from someone called sinsboldly.


It is a song from my childhood, a Christmas song, about how the Friendly Beasts are to partake of Christ's Glory, too, hence my tremulous lower lip about no souls in animals.

and as for Sins Boldly It comes from a quote by Martin Luther, :
"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. "

I am yearning for that new heaven and new earth, every day.(and wonder why so few people get the reference.)

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19 Jul 2008, 12:43 pm

Sorry, my mistake. Animals definitely have a spirit, but we are taught only human beings have souls. Spirit, soul, what's the difference I wonder.

It's nice to know you are a fellow believer.



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19 Jul 2008, 12:52 pm

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Sorry, my mistake. Animals definitely have a spirit, but we are taught only human beings have souls. Spirit, soul, what's the difference I wonder.

It's nice to know you are a fellow believer.


?? Believer in what? A spirit divine? Of course, I have had direct contact. A "name brand" religion? no, not this lifetime.

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19 Jul 2008, 1:11 pm

What's the alternative to a brand-name religion?

A generic or no-name religion? I am the only one who isn't trying to be avant-garde here?



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19 Jul 2008, 1:18 pm

Slowmutant, what's wrong with not belonging to an organized religion? Religion is a very personal thing, especially to me, and I do not share the views of those around me, so I practice in solitude.



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19 Jul 2008, 1:38 pm

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What's the alternative to a brand-name religion?

A generic or no-name religion? I am the only one who isn't trying to be avant-garde here?


no, I am just sorta differently wired, I guess. A lot of stuff that resonates with other people just doesn't with me. I wait until something touches me and then it becomes real to me. I hold onto that as a 'spiritual' truth. Like when one day I was a raging alcoholic with no hope and the next minute I 'got it' that I was an alcoholic and abstinence was my 'cure'. I considered that a breakthrough moment that I attributed to the Divine.

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20 Jul 2008, 1:45 am

sinsboldly wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
What's the alternative to a brand-name religion?

A generic or no-name religion? I am the only one who isn't trying to be avant-garde here?


no, I am just sorta differently wired, I guess. A lot of stuff that resonates with other people just doesn't with me. I wait until something touches me and then it becomes real to me. I hold onto that as a 'spiritual' truth. Like when one day I was a raging alcoholic with no hope and the next minute I 'got it' that I was an alcoholic and abstinence was my 'cure'. I considered that a breakthrough moment that I attributed to the Divine.

Merle


You shouldn't be ashamed to admit your religious affiliation if you have one.

I'm Christian.