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26 Aug 2008, 9:45 pm

I'm tired of hearing people in general being called "ignorant". What is it that they are ignorant of?
Come on. What make others think they are better than everyone else? I'm tired of the arrogance.

BTW: the words "ignorant" and "ignoramus" come from the Latin word Ignorare.

The present active indicative conjugations are,

Ignoro - I don't know.
Ignoras - you don't know.
Ignorat - he/she/it doesn't know.

Ignoramus - we don't know.
Ignoratis - ye don't know.
Ignorant - they don't know.



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26 Aug 2008, 9:48 pm

Well, ignorant is simply a descriptive adjective to describe someone with limited knowledge in a given subject. We are all ignorant of many things, since even the brightest polymaths leave several fields of study by the wayside.


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26 Aug 2008, 10:10 pm

Orwell wrote:
Well, ignorant is simply a descriptive adjective to describe someone with limited knowledge in a given subject. We are all ignorant of many things, since even the brightest polymaths leave several fields of study by the wayside.


While it is technically true that we are all ignorant of many things, that isn't the point.
I'm referring to the, though not formulated this exact way, statement of:

"If you don't agree with me, then you must be ignorant."



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26 Aug 2008, 11:11 pm

Ha Ha. That's funny. I just got called ignorant on this board today. Big bold letters with an evil angry smiley and an exclamation point...I did not even say anything bad. :? Ignorance is just a lack of knowledge. So, yeah, I'm ignorant about lots of stuff.



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27 Aug 2008, 12:21 am

It's an annoying thing, yes. Ignorance isn't necessarily a bad thing; but a fact.
I don't know how fast an elephent fart can travel in space. Technically speaking, that would mean I am ignorant of that.
That being the case; I'm glad for it. One more useless bit of knowledge I don't have!

Even I am still learning, so when people call me ignorant because I don't *yet* know something, it get's old.


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27 Aug 2008, 2:15 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
"If you don't agree with me, then you must be ignorant."

Well.. Yes! ;)


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27 Aug 2008, 2:27 am

Well, in a rare situation, that statement can be correct... Say, for example, if the only logical result is disagreed upon because one pursuent is ignorant of one fact...
But that really just demonstrates the foolishness of the comment if it is only applicable in limited scenarios. It's a destructive comment; not a constructive argument.


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27 Aug 2008, 11:32 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I'm tired of hearing people in general being called "ignorant". What is it that they are ignorant of?
Come on. What make others think they are better than everyone else? I'm tired of the arrogance.



Ignorance is inevitable on various matters. What I find repugnant is an attitude that has been described as 'ignorance-proud'. Someone who doesn't know much, and feels superior for that. Like the bumper sticker that says "My kid beat the crap out of your honor student" (that one is violently ignorance-proud).



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27 Aug 2008, 1:31 pm

Ishmael wrote:
It's an annoying thing, yes. Ignorance isn't necessarily a bad thing; but a fact.
I don't know how fast an elephent fart can travel in space. Technically speaking, that would mean I am ignorant of that.


I'm taking physics for engineering this semester; might be able to shed some light on that by the end

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Ignorance is inevitable on various matters. What I find repugnant is an attitude that has been described as 'ignorance-proud'. Someone who doesn't know much, and feels superior for that. Like the bumper sticker that says "My kid beat the crap out of your honor student" (that one is violently ignorance-proud).


Or kidding


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27 Aug 2008, 1:59 pm

Well, it depends on the context it is used I guess, but it could be innacurate in some ways and perhaps more accurate apparently in other ways, I suppose. Depending on what it's taken as factual.

For example, how do you take in school as an aspie student, your peers and your teacher, if they give you a hard time, including the teacher and perhaps your family as well, for your aspergers? You could say out of ignorance from everybody, if they even haven't heard of aspergers before. But, what if they heard of it, but don't believe in it, including your family as an example? Are they still ignorants?


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27 Aug 2008, 2:55 pm

Brilliantly engineered ignorance is the hallmark of the human race. Not knowing who we really are, what it's all about, when it's going to be over, where we came from, why we do things the way we do kind of sucks but viewed the right way it makes sense.
In a sense we come here to "change the world".

All worlds in the physical universe experience entropy, this is because we are destroying our old world by living this life. There is another, hidden life that all us us here lead where our new worlds are being built that we are (if we're intelligent enough to not outsmart ourselves) for the most part, completely ignorant of. This is true on both an individual level and that of the whole human race.

In both cases, the stupid or "ignorant" s**t we do isn't really ignorant when you think about it, it's just part of a process so cleverly designed that it's beyond genius. It's divide and conquer, we divide our old world into the smallest quantum parts, these "parts" disappear from our knowledge as one thing and reappear as another with a new name and form, then we reassemble the parts. Re-lig-ion... to reconnect the parts, all religions are "ways" of doing this.

Given the above:

If we knew who we really were, we'd never individualize. We are One, but one cannot be individual unless we are among other Ones. We are each and all that One projecting ourselves into divisions of ourself. If we were aware of that we wouldn't play our parts and we wouldn't be able to achieve the compartmentalization of knowledge that keeps any of the parts from taking over the whole. Each and every one of us has the power to change the world with a single focused thought, can you imagine what would happen in this world if any us had full working knowledge of that?

If we knew what it was all about, we wouldn't make things up, and making things up in our imagination IS creation.

If we knew when it was going to be over we would "ride the clock" especially toward the end, we want to race the clock because the harder we work the better our new world will be.

If we knew where we came from we'd be trying to get back there, tail between our legs as soon as we found out what "trying" and "work" were like. Not only that, at some point during the process when everything started to appear badly f'd up, we'd be trying desperately to go back to what we had instead of having faith in the plan and moving forward.

If we knew why we do things the stupid way we do, it would mean knowledge of the hidden side of things, which would kind of defeat the whole intelligent ignorance thing. When building anything, you need certain parts in a certain order, this is what governs what happens in this world. The decisions aren't made from this side so from this side it doesn't make sense why we do the things we do.

Nothing here is really good or bad, true or untrue, it's all just different ways of looking at things.


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27 Aug 2008, 3:03 pm

Ishmael wrote:
I don't know how fast an elephent fart can travel in space. Technically speaking, that would mean I am ignorant of that.


African or Asian Elephant?



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27 Aug 2008, 4:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I'm tired of hearing people in general being called "ignorant". What is it that they are ignorant of?
Come on. What make others think they are better than everyone else? I'm tired of the arrogance.


You are being very ignorant!! :evil:



I actually only use the word ignorant in very specific circumstances where ignorance is shown. For example, "You are ignorant of this and that". Being called ignorant because you like cheesecake over lemon pie, well that's something I wouldn't get.


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27 Aug 2008, 6:37 pm

oscuria wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I'm tired of hearing people in general being called "ignorant". What is it that they are ignorant of?
Come on. What make others think they are better than everyone else? I'm tired of the arrogance.


You are being very ignorant!! :evil:


Quid non ignoro? What am I ignorant of?



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27 Aug 2008, 9:48 pm

monty wrote:
Ishmael wrote:
I don't know how fast an elephent fart can travel in space. Technically speaking, that would mean I am ignorant of that.


African or Asian Elephant?


A European elephant. Which is just the same as an African elephant, only kept in some guys backyard and is better fed.


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27 Aug 2008, 10:23 pm

Ishmael wrote:
monty wrote:
Ishmael wrote:
I don't know how fast an elephent fart can travel in space. Technically speaking, that would mean I am ignorant of that.


African or Asian Elephant?


A European elephant. Which is just the same as an African elephant, only kept in some guys backyard and is better fed.

Unless it's a Tilos dwarf elephant.


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