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23 Aug 2008, 6:17 am

Stop wasting time, sitting around, trying to catch old ladies speeding at 32mph. Instead, they need to get on the street, and be searching young thugs for knives, and if they have them, chuck them in jail for 3 years. That'll put the cat amongst the piegons and cut down all the stabbing.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:33 am

benjimanbreeg wrote:
Stop wasting time, sitting around, trying to catch old ladies speeding at 32mph. Instead, they need to get on the street, and be searching young thugs for knives, and if they have them, chuck them in jail for 3 years. That'll put the cat amongst the piegons and cut down all the stabbing.

The police in the UK are now a gestapo-like arm of the ruling Labour party. Their main purpose is to intimidate political activists who operate outside of the established party system, and to force the population to acquiesce to an authoritarian leftist multicultural hell that's to be run as a region of the EU, and is to replace all that we once thought of as British. Anyone with any sense stays well clear of them, as even if you do report a crime, you're just as likely to end up the wrong side of the law as those who've committed some real harm. The law is now so complicated, ambiguous, and frivolous, that in order to inflate their clear-up stats for the month, they need no excuse to haul you down the station for a night in the cells, and a contribution to the DNA database, on some spurious charge.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:36 am

Btw, most of the stabbings are carried-out by a certain ethnic minority, so there's no chance of the government, or police, doing anything about it.



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23 Aug 2008, 10:16 am

ascan wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Stop wasting time, sitting around, trying to catch old ladies speeding at 32mph. Instead, they need to get on the street, and be searching young thugs for knives, and if they have them, chuck them in jail for 3 years. That'll put the cat amongst the piegons and cut down all the stabbing.

The police in the UK are now a gestapo-like arm of the ruling Labour party. Their main purpose is to intimidate political activists who operate outside of the established party system, and to force the population to acquiesce to an authoritarian leftist multicultural hell that's to be run as a region of the EU, and is to replace all that we once thought of as British. Anyone with any sense stays well clear of them, as even if you do report a crime, you're just as likely to end up the wrong side of the law as those who've committed some real harm. The law is now so complicated, ambiguous, and frivolous, that in order to inflate their clear-up stats for the month, they need no excuse to haul you down the station for a night in the cells, and a contribution to the DNA database, on some spurious charge.


Yep, it's like the new religion nowadays. Anyone who disagrees with multiculturalism gets treated like a witch. It's the excact same story here, instead of putting criminal immigrants in jail they offer them money to return to theyr country. How wil throwing a few bux ever have any effect on hardened criminals ?



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23 Aug 2008, 10:34 am

benjimanbreeg wrote:
Stop wasting time, sitting around, trying to catch old ladies speeding at 32mph. Instead, they need to get on the street, and be searching young thugs for knives, and if they have them, chuck them in jail for 3 years. That'll put the cat amongst the piegons and cut down all the stabbing.


Did you get a speeding ticket? :D We shoot each other where I'm from...but dang those speeding old ladies...just got to get them. :wink:



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23 Aug 2008, 10:40 am

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...It's the excact same story here, instead of putting criminal immigrants in jail they offer them money to return to theyr country...

Over here we offer them money to stay in our country. They get a weekly allowance, accommodation, free medical care, free education for their offsprings, and an additional allowance per kid to encourage them to reproduce.

God help us...



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23 Aug 2008, 10:42 am

Everyone blames the police for societal problems but the police are instruments of the government and the government is an instrument of the people. So the people are to blame for societal problems.

I blame people being so stupid, especially parents who can have some control over what their children do but are too lazy to do this.



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23 Aug 2008, 11:56 am

From all your responses, guess what my gist of this is, "Morrissey's always right."
You should just elect him king of the empire. He's cool, right?



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23 Aug 2008, 12:17 pm

corroonb wrote:
Everyone blames the police for societal problems but the police are instruments of the government and the government is an instrument of the people. So the people are to blame for societal problems.

I blame people being so stupid, especially parents who can have some control over what their children do but are too lazy to do this.


Ahhh...Here Here. I've always wanted to be a police officer. I like rules and think enforcing them would be a pretty good job to have. 8)



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23 Aug 2008, 2:58 pm

corroonb wrote:
the police are instruments of the government


true

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and the government is an instrument of the people.


not exactly true



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23 Aug 2008, 3:04 pm

psych wrote:
corroonb wrote:
the police are instruments of the government


true

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and the government is an instrument of the people.


not exactly true


Most people?

That's the theory. I think democracy is flawed but you can vote in the Tories if you don't like how the country is being run.



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23 Aug 2008, 3:44 pm

Politicians serving the people has to be the most hilarious comment posted here.
Democracy is just as easy to use for your personal purposes as any other goverment system.
The only difference is that the people are kept happy by the elusion that they can actually influence what the politicians do. Once the countrys elites (politicians) have done theyr part to serve theyr masters the European union, they get promoted to theyr level. This is why European countrys are losing the power to rule themselves to an elite much higher up bit by bit. The united states of Europe is currently in an infantile status, but it wil soon grow to adulthood where noone on country level can resist it's will. Remember the referenum? us Dutch overwhealmingly voted no. But they did it aniway because it was planned long ago. I also heard about plans to divide Europe up into new regions eventually.



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23 Aug 2008, 4:00 pm

Bart21 wrote:
Politicians serving the people has to be the most hilarious comment posted here.
Democracy is just as easy to use for your personal purposes as any other goverment system.
The only difference is that the people are kept happy by the elusion that they can actually influence what the politicians do. Once the countrys elites (politicians) have done theyr part to serve theyr masters the European union, they get promoted to theyr level. This is why European countrys are losing the power to rule themselves to an elite much higher up bit by bit. The united states of Europe is currently in an infantile status, but it wil soon grow to adulthood where noone on country level can resist it's will. Remember the referenum? us Dutch overwhealmingly voted no. But they did it aniway because it was planned long ago. I also heard about plans to divide Europe up into new regions eventually.


I assume you can vote? If you don't like the EU or your government, you have a vote you can use to elect candidates to both organisations. Is this true?

I agree that democracy is flawed but what is the alternative?

Fascism and communism have not worked so well in the past. You should be aware of that.

The EU is why there hasn't been a war in western Europe for over 50 years and why countries like the Netherlands, Ireland and Belgium have not been invaded and conquered by our more powerful neighbours. I recall that The Netherlands was once ruled by the Emperor of Spain.

Monarchism is no longer a possibility in most countries. In the Netherlands, yes. In Ireland, France, Germany etc, impossible.



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23 Aug 2008, 4:26 pm

corroonb in reply to Bart21 wrote:
I assume you can vote? If you don't like the EU or your government, you have a vote you can use to elect candidates to both organisations. Is this true?

The point he's making is that most mainstream politicians have many incentives to be pro-EU. It's a job-creation organisation for those of their ilk, and so it's in their interest to see its continued existence.

corroonb in reply to Bart21 wrote:
The EU is why there hasn't been a war in western Europe for over 50 years and why countries like the Netherlands, Ireland and Belgium have not been invaded and conquered by our more powerful neighbours.

No. The presence of the EU as an organisation is not the reason. Cooperation between states in western Europe is a reason, and that would include the influence of NATO more than the EU itself. Cooperation between those states does not have to take the form of a USSR-like dictatorship that's so corrupt that its auditors have not signed off the accounts for well over a decade.



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23 Aug 2008, 4:54 pm

corroonb wrote:
psych wrote:
corroonb wrote:
the police are instruments of the government


true

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and the government is an instrument of the people.


not exactly true


Most people?

That's the theory. I think democracy is flawed but you can vote in the Tories if you don't like how the country is being run.


..who will continue along the almost the same path. Its not really a choice, more an illusion of choice. For example the main problem facing the way any country is run is the fractional reserve system of banking. This piece of confidence trickery underpins everything!, yet i doubt you will ever hear it mentioned in parliament.

In any case, new laws to get passed increasingly originate from the EU. So national party politics is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

The best way, perhaps the only way i can see to change the system is to resign your citizenship & become sovereign, in legal terms a 'freeman'. (similar to this guy: www.tpuc.org ) That way at least you wont be obliged to obey state law, and you also act as a beacon of inspiration for others to do likewise.



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