War - A necessary evil?

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22 Aug 2008, 6:28 am

Can war be the best cause of action and catalyst for change in some circumstances? Discuss. I will post my opinion later.

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22 Aug 2008, 6:41 am

War is murder and destruction of property on a massive scale. No doubt if brings change but is it the change you want.?

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22 Aug 2008, 8:17 am

How can an evil be necessary?

If something is evil, it is surely unnecessary?

If something is necessary, it is surely not evil?

What is necessary?

What is evil?

I assume that what is good is necessary and what is evil is unnecessary.

Murder/killing is considered wrong by most people.

Therefore warfare which involves killing should also be considered wrong unless killing is not necessarily wrong.

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22 Aug 2008, 8:25 am

Is killing wrong?

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22 Aug 2008, 8:40 am

Anubis wrote:

Is killing wrong?

I believe killing other humans is wrong in all circumstances. After all I don't wish to be killed so why should I impose this state on others.

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22 Aug 2008, 8:57 am

What do you mean by wrong?

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22 Aug 2008, 8:58 am

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What do you mean by wrong?

I assume he means evil or harmful or some such negative state.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:01 am

Harmful to whom and why?

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22 Aug 2008, 9:10 am

Harmful to the victim. And harmful to the killer.

I consider killing to be harmful. Regardless of whether killing is right or wrong, it is always harmful.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:23 am

I don't doubt that the majority of people do not want to be killed and it seems that war does, in general, have a terrible effect o most soldiers who must kill or be killed. Nevertheless I have heard that the pilot who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and killed around two hundred thousand fairly innocent Japanese had no regrets.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:28 am

Such a person is immoral to me.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:39 am

Perhaps amoral. If he didn't pilot the plane, someone else would have. President Truman might be considered immoral.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:44 am

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Perhaps amoral. If he didn't pilot the plane, someone else would have. President Truman might be considered immoral.

That would imply that the pilot has not capacity to make a judgment, when that is simply not the case. Both the pilot and Truman acted immorally (according to my moral system). Hitler gave the orders for the Holocaust but others carried it out. Is Hitler the only immoral agent in Nazi Germany? I think all those involved in the Holocaust bear collective responsibility for the tragic results.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:45 am

corroonb wrote:

Anubis wrote:

Is killing wrong?

I believe killing other humans is wrong in all circumstances. After all I don't wish to be killed so why should I impose this state on others.

Therefore, you will not raise your hand to stop mass murder if the only way to stop that mass murder is an action that will most likely kill the mass murderer.

Personal ritual purity at the cost of the lives of others--how moral is that?

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22 Aug 2008, 9:53 am

Dogbrain wrote:

corroonb wrote:

Anubis wrote:

Is killing wrong?

I believe killing other humans is wrong in all circumstances. After all I don't wish to be killed so why should I impose this state on others.

Highly. It is more moral to die than to kill to live. I am not afraid of death and I will not kill to preserve my life or the lives of others.

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22 Aug 2008, 9:54 am

Dogbrain wrote:

corroonb wrote:

Anubis wrote:

Is killing wrong?

I believe killing other humans is wrong in all circumstances. After all I don't wish to be killed so why should I impose this state on others.

One can stop mass murder without killing. I believe the police do this all the time without killing the mass-murderer. Correct?

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