Males. stop dying and get paternal!

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THis may be the only way the octopus can start devolping a civilation. Males die after mating. Females die staving to death watching over their eggs. So if males lived past coplation and helped out with the eggs they could then live past one breeding season. They allready have 6 arms and two legs(based on obvesations on how they use their tentacles) As well as a means of comunication by color and texture change of their skin. I want intelligent otopi rising from the depths to claim the surface wrold as their own! Asw a bonus, they allready have their own ink, so all they need is to invent paper.

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Hey! Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah!

That'd be neat!

But what about thumbs? Fine tools could be an obstacle so, writing and some building and manufacturing could be a problem. This is going under the assumption that you need tools and tool-users to build a society.

Six appendages is great but what about fine dexterity? (Don't know much about octopus... octopi... (?) . Sorry)

So the males rear the young? Or the young are born self sufficient already...(?) Would be pretty patriarchal I would think if the females don't live past breeding. A more war-like society maybe? (Not male-bashing, just a thought )

I like the communicating with light and color textures. Way cool! It would be neat to see where that could go. I'll have to think about it.

Leave the sea behind and have land octopus? Semi-aquatic? Why not just stay under water?

I read once (Terry Pratchet I think) a sentence (the imagery really stuck) about 'ten-armed monkeys pin-wheeling through the canopy (?)' Woo hoo! Close enough.

Sorry if I am missing your point. Still fun. On another note, you may want to move this to another forum. Dunno if this is the place for it. Unless you are trying to make an analogy about the role of males in this society. If you are, I'm missing it, but I can be more than a little slow.

Interesting but what I want is to teach chimps how to march in formation, and fire and reload muskets. Then I can dress them in little uniforms and have civil war reenactments with live ammunition. I bet if my chimp armies went rogue they could sack a small modern city!

If a chimp army went rogue they'd probably revert to nature chimp behaviour. Are we talking about ordinary chimps or super-intelligent POTA chimps? All chimps are pacifists, by the way. You'd want to work with gorillas.

Chimps can be pretty nasty. Bonobos are much more peaceful as are gorillas but of course, none are as bloodthirsty as humans, especially humans preaching peace.

People preach whatever they feel like; it's walking the walk that really counts. If someone can practise what they preach and not simply for appearances, they're the real deal.

A single chimp was able to take over the entire United States, so I think you're underestimating their power...

Kay.

As much fun as that would be... Can we get back to Oceterpusses now? I likes the Oceterpusses. I'm surrounded by chimps enough in real life.

(If you post the Civil-war-re-enacting-monkey-scenario on it's own thread. I'll play too. )

I will try to stop dying. Not sure if I want to be parental.

It's my understanding that chimps are actually towards the more violent end of the ape spectrum.

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Have you read Arthur C Clarkes Rama series.
He drew up a quite detailed depection of a sentient octopus-form race.

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Nope. But I will look for it.

I miss Clarke

Octopuses. I like pronouncing that word for some reason.

Ya know....

I was thinkin'...

They (octopu... ocoterpuss... eight-legged-water-thingies) are so soft bodied, so various sorts of armour may be practical. On the other hand there is something to be said for being able to squeeze your entire body through a hole the size of your... (never mind)

Either way, great party trick at least if you can fit yourself into your empty beer bottle.