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Phil Schneider claimed that aliens are behind the NWO. I'm not sure what to think about all this. Read or watch the bottom links and tell me what you think.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/schneider.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuuztmqFQrQ[/youtube]

This first begs the question of whether or not the NWO exists.

Strawmen aliens running a strawman organization...

There is no way you already watched that video or read that link.

I'm not sure what to think of the whole NWO conspiracy yet.

Put aside your opinions on that for a moment and just watch the video and read the link.
This is a good way to get scared on Friday the 13th.

I speed-read at 600wpm. The article is full of accusations, but lacks verifiable proof linking any of the events to any organization or "Grand Conspiracy."

I won't bother with the entire video, as what I saw of it already is just more of the same.

You didn't find it suspicious that he was found with a piano string wrapped around his neck and was tortured before he died and it was written off as a suicide?
He didn't leave a suicide note and he told his family and friends that if he was ever to turn up dead from what seemed to be suicide, they should know he had been murdered.
Also, 11 of his friends were also murdered. You don't find that suspicious?

I swear Fnord, unless something comes with a stamp of approval from a common concensus, you will not believe it. Truth comes from searching and asking questions, not from blindly accepting something that is already "proven" to be true by people who are in a authoritative position.

No. People can strangle themselves. It happens. People have even used the zipper of their jackets to saw through their neck to the carotid artery. It happens too.


Not every person that commits suicide leaves a note.


No. Three of my friends and one cousin have been murdered, and two more relatives have committed suicide. No conspiracy there - a great tragedy, but no conspiracy.


Wrong. A large number of people believing in something does not make it real. Validation by consensus is a fallacious practice at best.


Yet you believe in extra-terrestrial aliens, the lost city of Atlantis, God, and the New World Order without ever searching out the truth for yourself, and without examining any repeatably verifiable evidence. Instead, you rely on tabloid articles and YouTube videos to dictate your world views for you.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

Fnord: Just so you know, Atlantis is NO LONGER a "lost city" because it has been FOUND. Where you say? On the Greek Island of Thera(AKA Santorini). Yep, right smack in the Easter mediterranean. Which in fact is almost exactly where plato described it.
900 years before plato this island was blown apart by a stupendous volcanic eruption and in turns out that whole streets with houses have been found buried in a thick layer of ash.

Yeah, I saw the PBS special. Wiped out most of the cities on the north shore of Crete, if I remember right. Some archeologists believe that Santorini is the remains of Atlantis. Short of finding a pierside sign that says, "Καλώς ήρθατε στην Ατλαντίδα!" ("Welcome to Atlantis!") somewhere in the debris, I remain skeptical, but the premise itself was worth a few short stories for my creative writing class.

One story was about a woman - a Soldier/Scientist - who was just barely escaped the cataclysm and settled down on an island in the north Atlantic ocean. Her named was Boadicea, and she established the Irish-Celtic culture there. I know, it's anachronistic, but it earned me an 'A'.

Other than providing inspiration for fiction or tenure for archeology professors, the Atlantis myth is more of a speculative curiousity than anything else.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV9Wt_BCI-U[/youtube]

Here's the full video.
UFO Disclosure Project

The only beings who ware certifiably "Out There" were the main speaker and those who believ him. He made claim after claim without supportive evidence, yet foolish people continue to believe that he was completely truthful, citing his "suspicious" death as de facto evidence.



I should start selling tickets to see the invisible pink dinosaur I keep in my back yard.

It is, indeed, quite likely that Plato based his Atlantis story on the Santorini disaster and its impact on the Phoenician empire. But the archetypal story of lost empires/continents is far too wide spread to be based off of something as local and recent as Santorini. If you look into the hard evidence that simply cannot cannot be fit into the orthodox version of history, both secular and religious, it is clear that the history of humans on this planet is far more complex and longer then generally accepted.

I conclude that much of the 'anomalous archeology' seems to be pointing to the 'ice-age mega civilization' theory being valid. That would account for the evidence of the very sudden end of the last ice age. Assuming the current models of the ice age are accurate most of 'our' world was under thousands of feet of ice while 'their' world was on the continental shelf now under thousands of feet of sediment and water. This would account for 'lost continent' mythology if the continents referred to are actually the continental shelf around the Atlantic (Atlantis) and the Pacific (Lemueria). The most up to date theories about the end of the Drius period points to a sudden shift set off by a comet/asteroid impact. In that case the theory of the sudden collapse of the ice cover, especially over North America, would cause a cataclysmic redistribution of water across the planet (like say, a Great Flood?) and environmental chaos that would shatter even the most advanced civilizations.

The most recent ice age ended around 12,000 years ago, btw. It would not surprise me if remains of cities would be found at or near the edge of our continental shelves. I speculate (idea without evidence) that there were near-bronze-age civilizations in existance before the last ice age as well. But looking for evidence of such a civilization 12,000 to 50,000 years ago would be like looking for fist-sized asteroidal fragments in Tunguska today - they may exist, but you'd have to turn over every moss-covered rock in a 500-mile radius of Ground Zero to find one.

The "Great Flood" monomyth is too pervasive to indicate that nothing happened, yet there is insufficient evidence to establish that "Noah's Flood" actually occured, or that "Atlantis" was nothing more than a popular stone-age cross-cultural seaport.

Next, you will be telling us that the Garden of Eden existed.

There is not an iota of credible physical evidence for Atlantis (or an equivalent). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Be sure to write us when they find relics of ray-guns and lasers just outside the Pillars Of Hercules on the bottom of the Atlantic.

ruveyn

Well, I don't think the argument is "Atlantis existed" so much as that Atlantis was based upon some real events. Which isn't a terribly strong claim, and given the standards of knowledge in the related fields I'm not going to really feel to bothered by the claim.

Use Okham's Razor and assume that the Atlantis Story is science fiction written by Plato. If you really need a possible real event, try the explosion of the supervolcano Toba which nearly destroyed the human race about 75,000 years ago.

ruveyn

I think it would be more parsimonious to assume that the alleged disaster in the Atlantis story was connected to the Theran Eruption (which happened maybe 1K years earlier, a time at which we can be reasonably sure some oral traditions survived from) than it is to suppose the disaster went back over 70K years prior.