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13 Dec 2008, 7:56 am

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About crime and religion.

http://cdn1.libsyn.com/skeptoid/skeptoi ... 583714bd4e

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.



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13 Dec 2008, 8:22 am

Be careful about the offered link. It knocked out my system.



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13 Dec 2008, 12:49 pm

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Be careful about the offered link. It knocked out my system.


It's a quicktime streaming media file. It appears benign I think it was just a problem with your systems plugin integration.


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14 Dec 2008, 12:31 am

How insightful! Real Truth does not work for all those book-peddlers, door knockers and talk-show whores!

Religion or lack are both just foils the Ego crouches behind. Real spirituality means transcending the Ego and its tiny minded view and insistence on its own judgments and desires. The presence or absence of any sort of religion is meaningless for real morality. Religion MIGHT help to lead to true godliness but in its self is nothing more then a control mechanism over people's minds. And often an ineffective one at that.


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14 Dec 2008, 1:23 am

One of the central difficulties in dealing with religion or the lack thereof is the personal advantages offered by religions in accepting belief without hard clear analysis of the probabilities of an overall universal intelligence. No sane person who is not undergoing extreme suffering wants to die. Lack of religion offers no bribe of an afterlife and its acceptance can only be on the basis of logical probability. A large number of people are very uninformed as to the factors in making that decision. Organized religion adds an economic and social factor in favor of religion. Atheists do not gather in celebration and traditions of joy in the lack of a God nor do they perform beneficial social functions in the name of atheism. Equally, except under deluded totalitarian economic systems which are jealous of any power centers but their own, atheists do not gather to punish believers in the way, throughout history, believers have punished non-believers. In many societies atheism is unacceptable and there are few if any openly declared atheists in government power. Socially it is a bad move to declare one's self an atheist and it requires a strong adherence to a sense of truth to do so. And the rewards are only in terms of personal integrity which is, in terms of the overall population of the human race, rather rare.



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14 Dec 2008, 1:42 am

Aspie_Chav wrote:

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


Would you like to submit some evidence for this or is this just more spurious garbage.


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14 Dec 2008, 3:28 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


Would you like to submit some evidence for this or is this just more spurious garbage.

In this case the statement is actually true, though fairly meaningless. People on the Autism spectrum, like people with other disabilities, are statistically more likely to be the victims of crime but less likely to commit crime. However, to turn this statement around and say "NT's are more likely to commit crimes," while technically true, is misleading. NT's are too large a percentage of the population to stereotype like that.


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14 Dec 2008, 2:23 pm

Orwell wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


Would you like to submit some evidence for this or is this just more spurious garbage.

In this case the statement is actually true, though fairly meaningless. People on the Autism spectrum, like people with other disabilities, are statistically more likely to be the victims of crime but less likely to commit crime. However, to turn this statement around and say "NT's are more likely to commit crimes," while technically true, is misleading. NT's are too large a percentage of the population to stereotype like that.


For this to be statistically true everyone commiting crimes would need to be psychoanalysed, the section of the community that cannot commit crime because they cannot function without assistance would need to be removed. What sort of crimes are we talking about etc etc.

I stand by my original determination that the statement that 'crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in genera' is spurious and damaging


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14 Dec 2008, 2:52 pm

I once read that there is a bigger correlation of crime and nationality than of crime and religion or lack of it. I can not find the (Austrian) source of it though.


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14 Dec 2008, 9:25 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


And why would that be? It it they are not as well-adjusted or emotionally healthy than the notably superior Aspie Race? There are so many ironies at work in this statement, it boggles the mind.

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15 Dec 2008, 2:30 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


And why would that be? It it they are not as well-adjusted or emotionally healthy than the notably superior Aspie Race? There are so many ironies at work in this statement, it boggles the mind.

:roll:


Bloody Heck SM thats two posts in a row that I have agreed with you


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15 Dec 2008, 3:18 pm

Orwell wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


Would you like to submit some evidence for this or is this just more spurious garbage.

In this case the statement is actually true, though fairly meaningless. People on the Autism spectrum, like people with other disabilities, are statistically more likely to be the victims of crime but less likely to commit crime. However, to turn this statement around and say "NT's are more likely to commit crimes," while technically true, is misleading. NT's are too large a percentage of the population to stereotype like that.



since you're dealing with a larger population, wouldn't it just be a matter of determining if similar ratios exist between the two or is the sample size for the spectrum too small?


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15 Dec 2008, 3:40 pm

What about Aspies who hack govt databases? Is that not considered a crime?



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15 Dec 2008, 3:43 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.

Really? If that is so, there are quite exceptions then, to mention one....

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15 Dec 2008, 4:18 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
Podcast
About crime and religion.

http://cdn1.libsyn.com/skeptoid/skeptoi ... 583714bd4e

I would like to add crimes tend to be a NT thing and NTs are more likely to commit crimes in general.


that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard