Lila Rose and Live Action Films

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This is pretty much Upton Sinclair on Planned Parenthood, for what she's uncovering I really give her mad props - hell, I'd donate if there's a way. With what's here though I don't even think it matters whether your pro-life or pro-choice, the very idea of abortion taking on a life of its own as a capitalist industry and getting to the point of cutting corners around obvious laws and safety of the individual just for the sake of selling their service; its pretty obvious just how badly this needed to be done.

before I click the link, does it have gross pictures? I would rather avoid it if it does.

No, just really creepy interviews with nurses advising someone they believe to be well underage to hide statutory rape and in addition telling her to falsify all kinds of information regarding his and her birthdate; they played with the spread (her age and his) and this even happened when she was 13 and he was 31.

Her friend is also doing little things like calling and offering donations for their killing of black babies - seeing if they bite, it's been said that the abortion industry has been a backdoor of the eugenics movement and they're in ways trying to chisel away at that to see if there is in fact any Margaret Sanger philosophy still in place; he's had some rather odd replies to those as well, nothing conclusive enough about the broader organization but things that do at least point to those particular employees at minimum.

Oh yeah, and check the one with her, her lawyer, and Bill O'; she talks about a couple of the clinics she visited - creepy enough that they cut corners, even more bizarre that a staffer with a 17 year old son or daughter is telling (someone who she believes is 15) that if she could take it all back that she would have terminated her own pregnancy - I'm sorry, its one thing when someone caves in over fears of the future when they find out their pregnant but saying you wish you could have aborted a child who's already just about grown; serious psychological problems there.

Yeah. That is some pretty freaky stuff. Makes me want to hug my kids.

I've been to Planned Parenthood a few times to look into a vasectomy. They didn't seem like a back alley clinic, at least not to me. I don't doubt that they skim over obvious statutory rape, mainly because they're not set up to have the nurses testify at criminal trials, and they know that people are looking for an excuse to tear into them. Apparently the doctors there are quite busy-there's a three month wait for a snip at my city's clinic.

As for eugenics, yeah, Singer was big into eugenics, but my city's clinic has nonwhites working there, and many of the women seeking birth control are white, so it's not like it's a white bastion encouraging black women to abort their kids. It may be true that some of the doctors and nurses have a weird fetish over pregnancy termination. I didn't feel it was any of my business. Also, as far as I know, the women don't directly pay for their abortions. Usually, the state government provides most of the funding. I know it does for vasectomies. Anything under capitalism is subject to capitalist pressures. Otherwise, you have government run clinics, and then availability of birth control would be dependent on the whims of politicians and the threats of wealthy pro-lifers.

100 years ago, reproduction was viewed in a very Middle Eastern fashion in America. It was the woman's duty to have as many kids as she could and as God would allow. When Singer tried to give away diaphragms in the 1920s, she was thrown in jail, because she was violating Biblical law that told people to be fruitful and multiply. That's the way most of the world still sees it, and why they're dramatically outproducing us.

I still wouldn't want to have some of these far right Christians dictating reproduction. The Mormons believe that it is the duty of families to have as many babies as possible regardless of the cost. Some Mormon women will have so many kids that by their 40s they are in constant physical pain and distress due to numerous difficult pregnancies. Mormons often have so many kids that the kids live in extreme poverty. One apostate told me that there was mold on the inside walls of her home, and that the only way she could be warm in the winter was to spend time in a junked Chevy in the yard, with the inside warmed by the sun.

That woman who killed her five kids in Texas, Andrea Yates I think, was a member of a radical Christian sect that said that women should be as fruitful as humanly possible and that God would manage the rest. So she ended up with five kids under the age of 7, four of them boys, and an ignored case of postpartum depression. She was told to ignore her depression and let God fix it. Finally she snapped.

Yeah, both extremes are unhealthy. I think the point most worth acknowledging though is its still perpetrating fraud, while this could feed directly into the abortion issue I think it has far more to say about the overall conduct of the organization. Pro-choicer's could at least rest on this; we didn't go vegan after Upton Sinclair, I doubt we'll be a pro-life country overnight with an overturned Roe v. Wade off of Lila's work.

Me neither, but I did not think that was the point of this thread. Pro-life or pro-choice, I think anyone should have a problem with medical complicity. The nurse should have reported the child abuse.