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15 Dec 2008, 10:25 am

Yet another answer to that quesiton:
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15 Dec 2008, 11:25 am

what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P


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15 Dec 2008, 11:34 am

anna-banana wrote:
what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P

Well, OBVIOUSLY all of the homosexuals, abortionists, and atheists have made the demons stronger, so holy water isn't tough enough anymore. Now they have to use hammers.
But before anyobody gets any ideas, my demons are hammer-proof. Their only weaknesses are larges stacks of crisp, new 100-dollar bills and slices of strawberry cheesecake. =]



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15 Dec 2008, 11:39 am

anna-banana wrote:
what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P


The Catholic Church doesn't perform those anymore. Except for a few extremely rare modern cases, exorcism has gone the way of trepanation and bloodletting.



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15 Dec 2008, 11:46 am

I wonder what Jesus (ie Krishna, Horus) would say about all this...


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15 Dec 2008, 11:49 am

slowmutant wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P


The Catholic Church doesn't perform those anymore. Except for a few extremely rare modern cases, exorcism has gone the way of trepanation and bloodletting.


http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/arc ... 04675.html

Since when? They've just been on the decline with the Catholic Church because they were shamed into actually taking mental health into account first.

And even if they have grown up a bit in that area, the Catholic Church is, IMHO, one of the most evil organizations on Earth and if America wanted to invade a country and bring a tyrant to justice, it should have chosen Benedict before Saddam.



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15 Dec 2008, 11:50 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
I wonder what Jesus (ie Krishna, Horus) would say about all this...


He would say they should have used pigs.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

Whatever.


Anyway, this case was not about putting religious belief on trial-- criminal insanity is what was put on trial.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:03 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Whatever.


Anyway, this case was not about putting religious belief on trial-- criminal insanity is what was put on trial.


Some, myself included, would say that the two are often synonymous.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:08 pm

That depends entirely on the belief in question.

And it's the net-effect of the belief I'd be worried about. If the net-effect is positive, the belief can be deemed positive. If the net-effect is negative, the belief can be deemed negative. We can say Nazism is a negative belief because of its extreme destructiveness.

"Familes with gay parents can succeed" is a belief. Show me the net-effect of same-sex partners adopting children & starting families. If these families are shown to be a categoric failure, then we'll know that this above-stated belief is false. But if they fare no better or no worse on average than traditional families, it's a positive net-effect.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:13 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
I wonder what Jesus (ie Krishna, Horus) would say about all this...


What do you think Jesus would say about all this? Theology is your area of expertise, after all.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:14 pm

drowbot0181 wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P

Well, OBVIOUSLY all of the homosexuals, abortionists, and atheists have made the demons stronger, so holy water isn't tough enough anymore. Now they have to use hammers.
But before anyobody gets any ideas, my demons are hammer-proof. Their only weaknesses are larges stacks of crisp, new 100-dollar bills and slices of strawberry cheesecake. =]


AND porn mags lol



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15 Dec 2008, 12:14 pm

slowmutant wrote:
history_of_psychiatry wrote:
I wonder what Jesus (ie Krishna, Horus) would say about all this...


What do you think Jesus would say about all this? Theology is your area of expertise, after all.


I think he'd say "Stop! Hammer time!"


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15 Dec 2008, 12:18 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
history_of_psychiatry wrote:
I wonder what Jesus (ie Krishna, Horus) would say about all this...


What do you think Jesus would say about all this? Theology is your area of expertise, after all.


I think he'd say "Stop! Hammer time!"


Very good.



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15 Dec 2008, 12:18 pm

slowmutant wrote:
That depends entirely on the belief in question.

And it's the net-effect of the belief I'd be worried about. If the net-effect is positive, the belief can be deemed positive. If the net-effect is negative, the belief can be deemed negative. We can say Nazism is a negative belief because of its extreme destructiveness.

"Familes with gay parents can succeed" is a belief. Show me the net-effect of same-sex partners adopting children & starting families. If these families are shown to be a categoric failure, then we'll know that this above-stated belief is false. But if they fare no better or no worse on average than traditional families, it's a positive net-effect.


Well, there are the Crusades, the Inquisition, the massacre of the Cathars, the aid they provided in getting Hitler elected, their silent approval of the Jewish Holocaust, the perputation of AIDS in Africa by sending missionaries in to tell locals that condom use is evil and that atheists poison condoms with HIV, and, the more recent one that REALLY pisses me off: The rape of hundreds of innocent children by Catholic priests and the attepts to cover it up that were orchestrated by Cardinal Ratzinger, who recently changed his name to POPE BENEDICT XVI. That enough to justiy my stance or would like more?

And please, please tell me I am reading that last paragraph wrong... Are you really going to stoop to gay-bashing?



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15 Dec 2008, 12:21 pm

Kilroy wrote:
drowbot0181 wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
what happened to the good old exorcisms, sprinkling with holy water and all? :P

Well, OBVIOUSLY all of the homosexuals, abortionists, and atheists have made the demons stronger, so holy water isn't tough enough anymore. Now they have to use hammers.
But before anyobody gets any ideas, my demons are hammer-proof. Their only weaknesses are larges stacks of crisp, new 100-dollar bills and slices of strawberry cheesecake. =]


AND porn mags lol


That would probably anger my wife's demons. :)