an 11 Dimensional political test

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Rate each of these things on a continuous scale of 0 to 10
according to their importance to a livable society
0 meaning not at all needed to 10 of very great importance? (edited from necessary)
please give your answers in a comma deliminated form i.e. 1,2,3,4,5 <-not my answers
Religion
Family
The Government
The Military
The Police
Civil society
Education
Free-markets
National Identity
Homogeneity
Social Spending

after one-week I will make a graph much like my last one
but this time showing political distance on the links.
I am not interested in the left or right issue just about grouping
if anyone feels like doing a principle component analysis I am fine with that

Last edited by JakobVirgil on 27 May 2011, 8:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

0, 7, 10, 8, 9, 10, 10, 5.5, 3, 0, 10

Family and Self 10.0

Forget the rest.

ruveyn

Religion
Family
Government
The Military
The Police
Civil society
Education
Free-markets
National Identity
Homogeneity
Social Spending
0,10,2,2,10,9,4,0,3,8

Why bother? Of who all's here now I'm a right wing nationalist hate monger, Ruveyn is at least fairly conservative, you and Master_Pedant are subversive liberals.
Don't need a questionnaire or graph for that.......

Oy.

A. livable society - same as sustainable society. or one I could stand to live in, or one I might choose to live in?

B. Necessity is hard: The society CANNOT survive without it? Or I can't be happy in the society without it? What about elements that happen autoimatrically wherever there is a human society, like education and perhaps religion?

C. Are we talking of features of the society, or activities of the leadership of the society?

D I am not sure your definition of for example Civil Society would necssarily match mine. Should one automatically know a standard definition, or do you accept any definition however oddball?

@Raptor your views are actually very interesting to me in the last graph folks with your views
seemingly similar to yours did not even fall close to each other. maybe if I have more data I could learn something.

@Phil Just think of it as 11 dials 0 its a bad or worthless thing 10 its a good or important thing.
its prolly best if you think of it in kinda a pre-linguistic fashion.

Are you asking for my personal opinion about a society I'd like to live in, or a quasiprofessional psychohistorical opinion about what makes for a stable society? If I think government is necessary to a society but comprises only 1% of the important things about a society, is that a 10 or a 1?

Edit: never mind, I interpret your answer to Philologos as meaning that would be a 1 not a 10.

glad to hear from you you are exactly the person to rub the rough edges off this thing.
personal opinion. Necessary is definitely the wrong word importance would be better.

Yeah, like that's going to happen!! ! You got any idea how much I have loosened up the past four decades?

Anyhow, gloss me please "Civil Society" because if I just guess at what it implies it will be like the Aspie from Mars, and I will have a shot.

I guess its social science jargon voluntary social organization i.e. charities libraries museums NGOs the elks club etc.

Hokey dokey. Jargon has its own reasons which the head can't figure, but I will take it as you say it.

So:

Religion - inevitable - 5
Family - inevitable - 10
The Government - inevitable, alas - 2.5
The Military - carying with circs 0 - 10
The Police - in an urbanized society 7,5
Civil society - inevitable in an urbanized society 7.5
Education - inevitable but best private - I just know some will misread that - 10
Free-markets - 5
National Identity - inevitable - 2.5
Homogeneity - the attempt is inevitable - 2.5 since I can't use a negative value
Social Spending - 0 when it is the wrong thing, 10 when it is the right thing, 90% probability most will be on the wrong thing.

I know this is gonna be hard to quantify but it is the best I can do.

Religion 3 - I would like a society of religious tolerance, but little political influence from specific religions

Family 7 - families are needed to perpetuate a society of healthy individuals, but too much emphasis on them can be oppressive

The Government 2 - government should exist only to maintain order and resolve contract disputes, nothing else

The Military 3 - unfortunately militaries are needed to avoid nationalistic force

The Police 2 - unfortunately police are also needed, but of less importance than the military as a government also has other methods to reduce crime besides police, but few other methods to prevent invasion than a military

Civil society 4 - I'm not actually sure what this means. I was therefore going to give it a 5, but it kind of smacks of forced conformity, so I gave it a bit less than a 5.

Education 3 - intelligence is more important than education. Intelligence generally appears to be largely determined by three years of age, where education normally happens after that point. This is why family is more important than education

Free-markets 8 - free markets are the only economic system that actually work well. They are not a 10 because they need some regulation by government. It's not a coincidence that I give government and free markets complementary scores

National Identity 1 - there's value to some cultural pluralism, which involves cultural identity and thus national identity, but I'd prefer a world that emphasized tolerance and inclusion over tribalism and exclusion

Homogeneity 0 - I prefer infinite diversity in infinite combinations

Social Spending 3 - however, all social spending should be through voluntary donations, so public social spending should be 0

so: 3,7,2,3,2,,4,3,8,1,0,3

Note that I actually think cultures with high homogeneity and a strong national identity, such as Japan, are generally more successful, for reasons that are fathomable. I just don't like them because I think they're boring, and also because they're the cultures most capable of atrocities when they come in contact with other cultures.

I notice you left abortion out this time around. Any particular reason why?

I think it is more of a wedge issue than a universal one.
question wording also made it awkward

A dimension is an independent variable. Those you present and not independent.

I don't like this. Some of these things might not be necessary for a stable society, but would be for a pleasant society (ex: Feudalism, which lacked many of these things, or had others in excess, was stable and functional, but highly unpleasant). And I'm sure we can come up with a hypothetical society without government that is somehow stable, and maybe even possible, but I still think government is really necessary. Also, what is meant by family. I think families are important support structures, but when I say that I use the term family very loosely, basically covering any group that loves each other and is there for one another. Also, to say one supports "the family" is usually interpreted to mean they support bigoted and backwards social values--which I most certainly do not. That said, here are my ratings:
1,8,8,0,7,10,10,3,5,1,9