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07 Jun 2011, 11:57 am

A woman on her period, masturbating, etc.
Not only these are normal but natural and healthy. So why are these considered to be taboo in some religions?
I understand having self control and all when it comes to these kind of things, but to stop doing them all together so you can be pure is just ridiculous. At what point did simply being human turn into being unholy?



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07 Jun 2011, 12:07 pm

If you actually read the story of onan, it's clear that it has nothing to do with masturbation.

Masturbation isn't even aluded to in it.

It also implies that prostitution is just fine.

the long and short of the general question is that a lot of biblical rules have more to do with keeping a family line from disappearing from the face of the earth while wandering in a harsh wilderness than with anything else.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:07 pm

Yes, why are so many sins considered normal things? When did unholiness turn into 'simply being human'?

Why is striving for purity/holiness ridiculous?


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07 Jun 2011, 12:09 pm

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Why are so many normal things considered a sin?


because people consider that submission to temptation is tantamount to betraying the diciplines of restraint from indulging in the satisfaction of desires, and in relinquishing short term gratifications they are more aware of eternal realities.
they are more able to appreciate the crystal clarity of their ultimate convictions i guess when they relinquish the tendency to satisfy the hunger of desire.

my bed is so valued by me right now. good whatever to you all.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:12 pm

Self-denial is the most twisted kink i know of.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:19 pm

so that the calvinist booby-trap theology will work right.
you like boobies?
<snap the trap closes>
lust in your heart - your a sinner the deserves to be burnt forever in hell.
oh but I can sell you some jesus that will clear that right up.


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07 Jun 2011, 12:20 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
Yes, why are so many sins considered normal things? When did unholiness turn into 'simply being human'?

Why is striving for purity/holiness ridiculous?


Because swapping the words in my questions makes you so witty!
Life came before religion. These things are a part of life. Religion was what made the decision that these things are bad.

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because people consider that submission to temptation is tantamount to betraying the diciplines of restraint from indulging in the satisfaction of desires, and in relinquishing short term gratifications they are more aware of eternal realities.
they are more able to appreciate the crystal clarity of their ultimate convictions i guess when they relinquish the tendency to satisfy the hunger of desire.


Like I said, I understand having self control and self control is good. But there's a big difference between giving into temptation and repressing yourself.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:25 pm

Easy. Those religions evolved many many centuries ago, and since then we developed. Welcome to the modern world.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:33 pm

_Square_Peg_ wrote:
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because people consider that submission to temptation is tantamount to betraying the diciplines of restraint from indulging in the satisfaction of desires, and in relinquishing short term gratifications they are more aware of eternal realities.
they are more able to appreciate the crystal clarity of their ultimate convictions i guess when they relinquish the tendency to satisfy the hunger of desire.


Like I said, I understand having self control and self control is good. But there's a big difference between giving into temptation and repressing yourself.


yes whatever. i was just trying to answer the question. i do not bother to withhold any thing from myself because i know it will serve no purpose because i will eventually be squashed into a black hole of a tantrum. but i have heard and read that abstinence is good for healthy minded folks. i can understand why as well so i believe it.



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07 Jun 2011, 12:49 pm

Chummy wrote:
Easy. Those religions evolved many many centuries ago, and since then we developed. Welcome to the modern world.


But humans evolved even longer. So what I don't get is at what point did people just say what they're doing is wrong even though it helped them adapt and survive and why they thought it was bad.



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07 Jun 2011, 1:05 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
Yes, why are so many sins considered normal things?

Do you really consider a woman on her period a non-normal sin?


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07 Jun 2011, 1:11 pm

_Square_Peg_ wrote:
A woman on her period, masturbating, etc.
Not only these are normal but natural and healthy. So why are these considered to be taboo in some religions?
I understand having self control and all when it comes to these kind of things, but to stop doing them all together so you can be pure is just ridiculous. At what point did simply being human turn into being unholy?


well, back in the stone age when they wrote the rules for all that crap it was to help the tribe survive and prosper. IT was a lot harder back then to survive and everything in life was waaay more brutal. Also pretty much if u didnt tell someone back then not to rape their sister they would do it.

Now days i think that its a form of control. Easiest way to keep someone in line is to point out natural urges and behaviors and label it sinful. Especially things that are pretty healthy and normal..like sex or masterbation...or checking out a beautiful woman.,.


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07 Jun 2011, 1:17 pm

heylelshalem wrote:
_Square_Peg_ wrote:
A woman on her period, masturbating, etc.
Not only these are normal but natural and healthy. So why are these considered to be taboo in some religions?
I understand having self control and all when it comes to these kind of things, but to stop doing them all together so you can be pure is just ridiculous. At what point did simply being human turn into being unholy?


well, back in the stone age when they wrote the rules for all that crap it was to help the tribe survive and prosper. IT was a lot harder back then to survive and everything in life was waaay more brutal. Also pretty much if u didnt tell someone back then not to rape their sister they would do it.

Now days i think that its a form of control. Easiest way to keep someone in line is to point out natural urges and behaviors and label it sinful. Especially things that are pretty healthy and normal..like sex or masterbation...or checking out a beautiful woman.,.


Makes sense. Glad we're not living in the Stone Age anymore :lol:



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07 Jun 2011, 1:30 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
Yes, why are so many sins considered normal things?

Do you really consider a woman on her period a non-normal sin?


There are faiths that do.



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07 Jun 2011, 1:31 pm

people might be in danger of having fun.


Seriously I think what happens is people with serious guilt complex issues come to power in either politics or religion and forcefully drag us into their guilt ridden warped view of the world through the law or doctrine.

It makes me think of what happened to Eliot Spitzer. A strange case where someone leads law enforcement to bust people for participating in prostitution, then is found guilty themselves in a scandal.

An even better example might be an Evangelist like Jimmy Swaggart. Standing on the pulpit preaching against adultery then later caught with a New Orleans hooker.



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07 Jun 2011, 1:36 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
people might be in danger of having fun.


Seriously I think what happens is people with serious guilt complex issues come to power in either politics or religion and forcefully drag us into their guilt ridden warped view of the world through the law or doctrine.

It makes me think of what happened to Eliot Spitzer. A strange case where someone leads law enforcement to bust people for participating in prostitution, then is found guilty themselves in a scandal.

An even better example might be an Evangelist like Jimmy Swaggart. Standing on the pulpit preaching against adultery then later caught with a New Orleans hooker.


Yes, a lot of these people are deeply troubled by their urges and struggle to control them.

They assume that everyone is just as depraved as they are, so they have to help us control our sinful urges too.