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09 Dec 2011, 3:46 pm

I've noticed there seems to be a rather small amount of Christians on this site. I understand that being a Christian does not mean you are a good person. But I want to know about the people who are Christian on this site. If you are, why do you follow God?
I follow God because I believe that Christianity's system of beliefs is well-grounded. Before anyone gets after me about the "prejudices" in CHristianity, I want to clear something up: as Christians, we believe it is the BEHAVIOR that is at fault, not the person. "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I know there's no way to truly prove God's existence. But think about it this way: God doesn't question our existence.
So, let's chat.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:16 pm

rocklobster wrote:
I know there's no way to truly prove God's existence. But think about it this way: God doesn't question our existence.


Neither does the invisible unicorn ... but that's probably because it doesn't exist.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:19 pm

rocklobster wrote:
I know there's no way to truly prove God's existence. But think about it this way: God doesn't question our existence.


Cool story bro


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09 Dec 2011, 8:20 pm

Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God...

That's why I'm a Christian.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:47 pm

I was once a Christian but I find most of it hard to believe.
It was hard for me to believe in Jesus,heaven,hell and the bible.
I felt that most of the people that went to my church were hypocrites.
They would judge me and I felt like I didn't belong.
I now believe that nature and god are the same thing and I agree with most of the ideas of Buddhism.



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09 Dec 2011, 8:47 pm

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Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God...

That's why I'm a Christian.


But, why do you believe in God, and that Jesus Christ is the son of God?



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09 Dec 2011, 11:53 pm

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Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God...

That's why I'm a Christian.


Ditto.

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I felt that most of the people that went to my church hypocrites.
They would judge me and I felt like I didn't belong.


I do agree that some churches are like some weird Christian world where God is an ATM and you don't have to worry about jobs, that interview on Monday, or debts to pay. My biggest grievance is that it feels like you're not allowed to doubt, fear, and experience any kind of negative emotion because then you have no faith! GASP. Judgement! Judgement!!



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10 Dec 2011, 1:24 am

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God...

That's why I'm a Christian.


But, why do you believe in God, and that Jesus Christ is the son of God?


My guess is that he does not like the thought of dying. He wants to live Forever.

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10 Dec 2011, 1:29 am

Jesus said "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24) In other words God is not a physical being like you and me. But Jesus said the only way to worship him IS in spirit and with truth (our worship cannot be tainted with lies). Trying to explain God to someone who requires a physical form as proof is difficult. But the proof is all around us in every creation from the atomic to cosmic. The absolute perfection and orderliness between these two extremes cannot be dismissed as mere chance.

Let's take, for example, something as trivial as the Paper Wasp. They have been described as masters of engineering. Why is this description fitting?

As its name suggests, the paper wasp builds and maintains its compound nest out of a special kind of paper, which it manufactures itself. The insect collects fibers of plants and of dead wood from all kinds of places such as logs, fence posts, telephone poles, and building materials. It then chews the cellulose-rich material, adding a sticky, high protein saliva. When applied, the resulting paste dries to form a light, firm, yet tough, paper. Moreover, the saliva has special properties that enable the paper to generate and absorb heat, thus maintaining the right temperature in the brood comb on cool days.

This wasp builds its nest “mouthful by mouthful.” The finished product is a waterproof, paper umbrella-covered cluster of hexagonal cells. Why a hexagon? The hexagonal pattern combines strength and efficiency. Wasps that live in wetter areas simply add more oral secretion because of its water-resistant properties. That said, the insects select sites that offer some kind of protective overhang. From this they suspend their downward-facing nests by a stalk, or petiole. Moreover, paper wasps do no harm to the environment — unlike our paper making processes, which pollute air, water, and land!

Understandably, architects and researchers are studying the wasp’s products with a view to designing superior building materials that are lightweight, strong, more flexible, and biodegradable.

Ask yourself this. Did an insect with a brain roughly the size of two grains of sand figure out papermaking and efficient nest architecture by itself? Or are its chemical- and mechanical-engineering skills evidence of design? This is an example of just one species of wasp among thousands. This doesn't discount other insects, animals, plants, humans and so forth... and we haven't left earth yet.

Why would people not believe God exists from the clear evidence all around? I don't really know. Thinking about the Paper Wasp I leave it up to Paul's explanation at Romans 1:20-21: "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened."


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10 Dec 2011, 3:11 am

Well, admittedly, my parents had raised me in the Christian faith, so that's a big part of it.
But I also believe that I was given the gift of faith as part of God's freely given grace, which had been earned for me by Christ's death and resurrection, not through any reasoning or effort on my part.

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10 Dec 2011, 3:37 am

kxmode, I recommend a scientific book on evolution and natural selection.

Mutation, natural selection, and time are the reasons why beings like you and I ended up existing.



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10 Dec 2011, 4:28 am

"Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing." those words were spoken by God to Isaiah at chapter 40 verse 26. If Jehovah God called every star by name why would he create thousands of material beings and then use a sloppy process like evolution and natural selection to bring them into existence? Jehovah God is not stupid. The fact that he remembers each star by name shows his vast intellect.

Further Job 26:14 tells us "Look! These are the fringes of his ways, And what a whisper of a matter has been heard of him!" Psalm 92:5 states "How great your works are, O Jehovah! Very deep your thoughts are." Isaiah 55:9 relates "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts." And Ecclesiastes 3:11 reminds us, "Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish." Even if we should live forever we would never know everything Jehovah God has created.


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10 Dec 2011, 4:52 am

You're postulating your God into the picture when we don't really need God to explain why living beings are so complex.

Science covers this well enough without divine intervention.



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10 Dec 2011, 5:06 am

MCalavera wrote:
You're postulating your God into the picture when we don't really need God to explain why living beings are so complex.

Science covers this well enough without divine intervention.


That's your opinion. I would like to say science and religion is compatible. It's only when scientists remove God from the equation that things become murky. For example they still call it the "theory of" evolution. It's never been proven as a fact even though thousands of scientists continue to push it as fact.



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10 Dec 2011, 5:15 am

kxmode wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
You're postulating your God into the picture when we don't really need God to explain why living beings are so complex.

Science covers this well enough without divine intervention.


That's your opinion. I would like to say science and religion is compatible. It's only when scientists remove God from the equation that things become murky. For example they still call it the "theory of" evolution. It's never been proven as a fact even though thousands of scientists continue to push it as fact.


Gravity is a theory, too.

And we have evidence for mutation, we have evidence for natural selection, and we have evidence for time. We also have fossil evidence and geological evidence confirming long age of earth allowing for evolution to occur over a long time leading to our existence.

The WT can distort science all it wants, but our science is peer-reviewed, confirmed by a variety of evidence and by repeated observations.

The Bible is just a collection of contradictory books to be taken on blind faith.



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10 Dec 2011, 5:18 am

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Gravity is a theory, too.

And we have evidence for mutation, we have evidence for natural selection, and we have evidence for time. We also have fossil evidence and geological evidence confirming long age of earth allowing for evolution to occur over a long time leading to our existence.

The WT can distort science all it wants, but our science is peer-reviewed, confirmed by a variety of evidence and by repeated observations.

The Bible is just a collection of contradictory books to be taken on blind faith.


Actually gravity is called a law as it is unchangeable, firm, and concrete. But I can see we're not getting anywhere so I'm simply say have a great Saturday. And if you're wondering yes I will be out this morning knocking on door sharing thoughts from the bible with those who would like to hear.

Have a wonderful weekend! :)


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