Brave New World

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13 Jan 2009, 10:20 pm

One of the most interesting books ive ever read.
it revolves around a utopia where everyone appears to be happy....at a price
there are also sci fi elements such as biological, genetic, and psychological engineering which is kinda interesting and in some cases disturbing
the people in there do not have emotional or family attachments because "everyone belongs to everyone else" there is no exclusiveness in this society as there is in ours
i kinda liked this society, because everything is orderly and in a world of chaos that might not be such a bad thing

i read this for my english class

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13 Jan 2009, 10:28 pm

I'd consider the price of the order way way way too high for a Brave New World path, or even one close to be seriously considered.

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13 Jan 2009, 10:37 pm

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The novel was written as a warning about a possible distopia, not a utopia. The concept that the ideal condition for humans is a brainless conformity resulting in a drug driven mindless "happiness" is horrifying where humans are turned into mere social mechanisms as with termites or ants.

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13 Jan 2009, 10:43 pm

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The concept that the ideal condition for humans is a brainless conformity resulting in a drug driven mindless "happiness" is horrifying where humans are turned into mere social mechanisms as with termites or ants.

And yet, some people find it appealing.

When I took philosophy the professor asked the class about the Mill quote, "It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied."

I was pretty much the only student who agreed with it.

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13 Jan 2009, 10:44 pm

Yes, I like this society too, generally everyone lives and dies happy, it has its dark side though, the good side of it, the abolition of most of the crap from current society.

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13 Jan 2009, 11:09 pm

I think that "Brave New World" along with "1984" describes the state of the world today.

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13 Jan 2009, 11:26 pm

twoshots wrote:

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The title of this site "Wrong Planet" displays some of the dissatisfaction I feel as being classified as "human" along with all those mindless people who conform to commercial, political, and religious dogmatisms. Perhaps, in spite of physiology, I am not human. I am not unhappy about the concept.

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14 Jan 2009, 12:09 am

It's been on my reading list for awhile.

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14 Jan 2009, 12:45 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

I think that "Brave New World" along with "1984" describes the state of the world today.

In that case, I would tend to believe that you did not read either of them very carefully. They describe much, much different worlds.

A better try might be Fahrenheit 451. To my mind, Bradbury was rather more realistic in describing his dystopia. I second AG's comments about the infeasibility of a BNW-type scenario.

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14 Jan 2009, 7:33 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

I think that "Brave New World" along with "1984" describes the state of the world today.

Not quite yet but I'd say there is not long left before that is the case. IMO both were a warning about the path we are now on. A lot of authors seen the growing power of the elite and the power of money (or, more to the point, debt) breaking the very fabric of all the beliefs humanity holds dear - liberty, truth, free will, community, hope, faith, love etc - and could see where it would eventually lead, as was indicated above. A world where humans are no more than ants. Drones.

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14 Jan 2009, 7:49 am

Sand wrote:

You have an interesting way of putting it. I sometimes refer to my rather skillful adaptation to the NT world as "passing for human". Sometimes I have the fantasy that my parents or their ancestors were not from this planet. They or their ancestors landed here a ways back. They were humanoid, but not truly earthlings. That is why when I looked at a star filled sky, I search for my "home". I really need to get back to Vulcan or Krypton.

I know it is a fantasy, but it comes easily to me.

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14 Jan 2009, 11:38 am

I thought it was crap and badly written, but the idea was interesting.

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14 Jan 2009, 11:56 am

ruveyn wrote:

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I frequently thought I might be a robot placed in a human home by a scientist who worked up artificial organic humans. Of course, that way lies madness but the current world situations are so brutally stupid the thought keeps coming up.

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17 Jan 2009, 4:49 am

I'm horribly bad at "playing along", so I would go to an island in BNW, room 101 in the Party, and be killed by the hound in F 451.

I'd prefer living with bad weather.

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