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Roxas_XIII
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25 Jan 2009, 1:51 pm

Now don't get me wrong, I am an American and I take pride in being so. I'm not condoning terrorism or nuclear war in this statement. Personally if I had my way terrorists wouldn't exist, and neither would nukes. But I'm thinking about all the problems America is facing today as far as it's relationship with the rest of the world. And I can see many instances in which the fault for these problems can be traced to one country. It's not Iraq. It's not Russia. It's not China, or North Korea, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine, or any country in the Middle East, the Communist bloc, or the former Soviet Union. Have you guessed the guilty one yet? That's right, its the land of the free, the home of the brave, the good old US of A. America may think that the problems are caused by those who wish to destroy America and the foundation it was built on. Well, why would anyone want to destroy a country as good as the US? The answer: Venegance. They want retribution for the times we have wronged them. A lot of decisions that we have made have come back to haunt us. Take WWII, for example. If it weren't for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we would never have had to worry about Russia in the Cold War, or Iran and the possibility of terrorists obtaining a nuke. Why? Because nukes wouldn't exist. It's like the kid walking down the street, showing off his new toy, and then everyone else wants one for themself. Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later. And another thing: why do these terrorists hate America? I don't believe they woke up one morning and decided, "Lets start a jihad with America!" just like that. There had to have been something, some injustice on America's part that spawned their hatred. Well, just look at George Bush Sr., meddling with affairs in the Middle East. And his son wasn't helping matters at all by starting a war, by turning a blind eye to the chaos that resulted from it. I mean it's true Saddam Hussein had to go, but wouldn't it had been so much easier after he metaphorically flipped us the bird to just send in Army Spec Ops to capture him quickly and silently, to make him disappear? But no, we had to do a full scale invasion, in which countless Iraqis lost their lives, just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying I agree with the terrorists actions. I would die before I said that. But after imagining what it would be like if some foreign country came around and stomped all over my home and land, I can see why they would hate us.

Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.

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25 Jan 2009, 2:17 pm

I agree entirely. My country (Britain) ain't much better. Our government helped yours in Iraq and other wars. I blame Tony Blair, the bastard.


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25 Jan 2009, 2:25 pm

Your thread reminded me of this.

Quote:
A large state is like a low-lying estuary,
the female of all under heaven.
In the congress of all under heaven,
the female always conquers the male through her stillness.
Because she is still,
it is fitting for her to lie low.
By lying beneath a small state,
a large state can take over a small state.
By lying beneath a large state,
a small state can be taken over by a large state.

Therefore,
One may either take over or be taken over by lying low.

Therefore,
The large state wishes only to annex and nurture others;
The small state wants only to join with and serve others.

Now,
Since both get what they want,
It is fitting for the large state to lie low.



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25 Jan 2009, 3:01 pm

More America bashing ... :roll:



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25 Jan 2009, 3:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
More America bashing ... :roll:


The OP wasn't exactly BASHING America, merely pointing out why the rest of the world hates America so much.

Personally, I think America's awesome, but not the government.


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25 Jan 2009, 3:35 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
The OP wasn't exactly BASHING America, merely pointing out why the rest of the world hates America so much.

Personally, I think America's awesome, but not the government.

People come from all over the world to escape the corrupt and inefficient governments in their native lands and live under America's government. It's not *that* crappy.

That said, we've made some boneheaded foreign policy moves in the past that have gotten a fair number of people pissed off at us.


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25 Jan 2009, 3:37 pm

Roxas_XIII wrote:
...Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later...

The Russians knew you had it before you used it, and the Germans were already on their way to developing it themselves.

In fact your lack of knowledge regarding that situation demonstrates a very good reason why your country is so disliked.



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25 Jan 2009, 3:40 pm

Orwell wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
The OP wasn't exactly BASHING America, merely pointing out why the rest of the world hates America so much.

Personally, I think America's awesome, but not the government.

People come from all over the world to escape the corrupt and inefficient governments in their native lands and live under America's government. It's not *that* crappy.

That said, we've made some boneheaded foreign policy moves in the past that have gotten a fair number of people pissed off at us.


A lot of governments suck, not just American. But having said that, George Bush is out of office now, so hopefully American policies will improve significantly.


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25 Jan 2009, 3:43 pm

Speaking as a foreigner, the United States is not an unpleasant country. All the Americans I've known and presumably most American people in general, regardless of their political allegiance, have struck me as being quite friendly and tolerant of foreigners. I may even consider living there at some point in my life, who knows. This is not the case with many European countries, though I'd consider them to be more tolerant in some other respects (in particular of sexuality, though since I'm straight it doesn't affect me).

The foreign policy of the American government is almost a different matter entirely.



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25 Jan 2009, 3:44 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
A lot of governments suck, not just American. But having said that, George Bush is out of office now, so hopefully American policies will improve significantly.

Hey, we're closing down Guantanamo and authorizing stem cell research. That's already two major improvements in US policy.


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25 Jan 2009, 3:47 pm

Orwell wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
A lot of governments suck, not just American. But having said that, George Bush is out of office now, so hopefully American policies will improve significantly.

Hey, we're closing down Guantanamo and authorizing stem cell research. That's already two major improvements in US policy.


Exactly. Things are looking good, and it's only five days since Obama took over from Bush.


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25 Jan 2009, 6:39 pm

Roxas_XIII wrote:

Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.

Roxas_XIII


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25 Jan 2009, 8:01 pm

The reason why the terrorists hate the US? In 1953, the CIA decided that the prime minister of Iran, a dude named Mossadegh, was getting too friendly with the Soviets. So they, the CIA in general and in particular a guy with the odd name of Kermit Roosevelt (yes, he was related), went in there and killed him, and installed the Shah as their puppet dictator. Well, the Shah later tried to Westernize Iran, and went too far, and got toppled, and the guy who ended up running things was one of the revolutionary leaders (the Shah had exiled anybody who didn't like him, and communists were there as well as religious parties) was the Ayatollah, who vowed to create a one world Islamic state and destroy America once and for all. As Iranian radicals go, probably the only guys who were weirder than him were the ones who wanted a Stalinist state in Iran. So the Ayatollah financed Islamic radicalism everywhere in the world, and set to work radicalizing the world's Muslims to further world Islamic revolution. Now the beast is out of anyone's control, and threatens to devour Iran too.

Anyway, America has made assorted boneheaded foreign policy decisions like that ever since WW2, and gotten tons of people mad at us. For many years the CIA was a state within a state, and not even the President had effective control over them, the CIA Cowboys did as they wished and it was the President's job to agree. The true reality of this has been buried for so long over here that most Americans have zero clue that in their name the CIA toppled anybody who they didn't like and installed far right wing dictators in their places.

An especially ridiculous coup came in 1954, when the democratic leader of Guatemala was killed because he'd had the guts to tell the US-run fruit company that controlled the place to take a hike, and the CEO called in the CIA attack dog and ordered his CIA buddies to get rid of the guy giving them static. 50 years of games like this eventually led Cuba into the arms of Fidel Castro, and the old guard still hasn't forgiven the Cubans for dumping them, not even Obama dares to lift the embargo.

As an American, I tend to find Americans rather egotistical and jingoistic, perhaps the result of 60 years of anticommunist indoctrination and self-esteem training. They tend to be rather insular, and have little knowledge of the outside world. Few Americans own shortwave radios, and few bother to check the websites of foreign news outlets like the BBC regularly, even I don't. Shortwave radios are not widely available here. The media is strictly controlled, and as I said most Americans don't check foreign sources.

The main source of "news" in the US is fast becoming opinion blogs, with a blog to reinforce every viewpoint, resulting in people regurgitating extreme viewpoints that are taken as fact without question because it was seen on the net. Many young Americans watch fake comedic "newscasts" such as The Daily Show as well, and often can't tell the difference between jokes and reality. Other than that, the news departments of TV stations take a backseat to entertainment and talk programs beamed in via satellite, and what is there is mostly shock value programming, car chases and gruesome murders. Newspapers are closing because nobody reads them. There's virtually no news in the US beyond that.

Major cities have all news stations, which rely heavily on blood and splash programming. Everywhere else has a little radio news mixed in with syndicated talk, mainly far right wing hosts who love to hear themselves babble and who hang up on anyone who doesn't agree with them. All other radio stations play music. There are no state run networks. Most magazines focus on gossip or housekeeping techniques. Current events books are written by talk hosts, and bookstores are going out of business because nobody buys books. Americans have little clue what goes on in the world beyond syndicated opinions and rumor mills. It's very much like the old Soviet Union, except without an underground press.



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25 Jan 2009, 8:48 pm

The UK helped out when the CIA overthrew Iran's Prime Minister. The Prime Minister of Iran at that time wanted to nationalize Iran's oil. Nationalizing the oil in Iran, the UK viewed this as a threat. The UK wanted to make sure Iran wouldn't be able to Nationalize the country oil, so the UK got the CIA to do the dirty work. Iran's Prime Minister at that time was elected Democratically, but apparently he didn't follow the rules. So, on that one the UK and USA get an equal share of blame.

The CIA loves to overthrow government that don't play by the USA *rules*

The Cocaine Importing Agency (CIA) also love to import cocaine


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25 Jan 2009, 9:55 pm

ascan wrote:
Roxas_XIII wrote:
...Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later...

The Russians knew you had it before you used it, and the Germans were already on their way to developing it themselves.

In fact your lack of knowledge regarding that situation demonstrates a very good reason why your country is so disliked.


If you're going to stereotype me as an ignorant American and flame me for that, I'm going to steretype you as an egotistical mulehead from whatever country you call home and flame you back. That was totally uncalled for, and nothing short of a sincere apology is going to raise your status from my viewpoint. Have a nice day.

As for everyone else, I apologize if some of my views on historical events appear misguided, the point I'm trying to make is that America is responsible for instigating a lot of the nasty political situations of the world. That's all I came here to say, and if people like ^^^ are going to try and start insulting people then perhaps I should just leave and let this thread die.


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25 Jan 2009, 10:15 pm

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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
A lot of governments suck, not just American. But having said that, George Bush is out of office now, so hopefully American policies will improve significantly.

Hey, we're closing down Guantanamo and authorizing stem cell research. That's already two major improvements in US policy.
Excuse me, but *adult* stem-cell research has always been legal and STRONGLY ENCOURAGED by both the USA's feds AND its states. What BHO has suddenly allowed is the obsolete and deadly-to-unborn-children *EMBRYONIC* stem-cell research. Adult, as well as umbilical-cord, stem-cell research has already yielded impressive advances in medical technology.

I do not look upon that particular executive order and an advancement in any way.

And unlike some others in here, overall I give GWB a B as president (has there been a successful terrorist attack on USA soil since 2001-09-11?) and I do believe that future historians will be very kind to him. MY biggest beef with him surrounds his handling of domestic issues over the past year.

Mike