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11 Feb 2009, 7:04 pm

Am I the ONLY one here who knows about this once-secret Russian city and what has happened there?
AFAIK, this is the order of severity of radioactive contamination in the former Soviet Union from most to least:
Chelyabinsk(MAYAK), Russia > Chernobyl, Ukraine > Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan



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11 Feb 2009, 7:19 pm

I've never heard of Chelyabinsk, but I'm generally interested in Russian history. If you could link to some sources, I'd be greatly appreciative. (Maybe I could even make a term paper out of Soviet nuclear technology)


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12 Feb 2009, 2:09 am

No, I'm familiar with Chelyabinsk. Of course, my father is a nuclear physicist, and I happen to have had periods of obsession with Russia, so I'm probably kind of an outlier on WP when it comes to this particular subject.



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12 Feb 2009, 10:58 am

Hey, Let's ask Wikipedia!

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Fortress Chelyaba, from which the city takes its name, was constructed on the site in 1736; the city was incorporated in 1781. Around 1900, it served as a center for the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway. According to offical statistic population was on 01.01.1913 45.000 inhabitants.

During the Soviet industrialization of the 1930s, Chelyabinsk experienced rapid growth. Several industrial establishments, including the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant and the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant, were built at this time. During World War II, Joseph Stalin decided to move a large part of Soviet factory production to places out of the way of the advancing German armies in late 1941. This brought new industries and thousands of workers to Chelyabinsk—still essentially a small city. Several enormous facilities for the production of T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers existed in Chelyabinsk, which became known as "Tankograd" (Tank City). Chelyabinsk was essentially built from scratch during this time. A small town existed before this, signs of which can be found in the centre of the city. The S.M. Kirov Factory no. 185 moved here from Leningrad to produce heavy tanks — it was transferred to Omsk after 1962.

A serious nuclear accident occurred in 1957 at the Mayak nuclear fuel reprocessing plant, 150 km north-west of the city, caused deaths in Chelyabinsk Oblast but not in the city. The province was closed to all foreigners until 1992.



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12 Feb 2009, 12:52 pm

Oh, yeah, the info is out there if anyone is interested ... I also remember reading about an abandoned bio-warfare facility that used to be on an island in the Aral Sea. The 'sea' dried up so much that anyone can drive to that site now.

I have also read that some of the above ground nuclear tests in the US (1950s and 60s) released more radioactivity than Chernobyl.



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12 Feb 2009, 2:44 pm

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Oh, yeah, the info is out there if anyone is interested ... I also remember reading about an abandoned bio-warfare facility that used to be on an island in the Aral Sea. The 'sea' dried up so much that anyone can drive to that site now.

I have also read that some of the above ground nuclear tests in the US (1950s and 60s) released more radioactivity than Chernobyl.

The main bioweapons facility I've heard of from the Soviets is Stepnogorsk. They did some crazy s**t in that place.


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15 Feb 2009, 9:17 pm

Heard the name. The Soviets were nuts for building specialized cities for specific purposes (think Stellagrad). I seem to remember that the place you're talking about they make you drive through at breankneck speed, and no one gets out of the car...



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16 Feb 2009, 2:40 am

Orwell wrote:
monty wrote:
Oh, yeah, the info is out there if anyone is interested ... I also remember reading about an abandoned bio-warfare facility that used to be on an island in the Aral Sea. The 'sea' dried up so much that anyone can drive to that site now.

I have also read that some of the above ground nuclear tests in the US (1950s and 60s) released more radioactivity than Chernobyl.

The main bioweapons facility I've heard of from the Soviets is Stepnogorsk. They did some crazy sh** in that place.



IIRC, the most Notorious Biological Weapons facility was located in Uzbekistan on the (former lakeshore) of the Aral sea and involved antibiotic resistant bacteria as well as airborne hemorrhagic viruses 8O



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16 Feb 2009, 2:48 am

Haliphron wrote:
Orwell wrote:
monty wrote:
Oh, yeah, the info is out there if anyone is interested ... I also remember reading about an abandoned bio-warfare facility that used to be on an island in the Aral Sea. The 'sea' dried up so much that anyone can drive to that site now.

I have also read that some of the above ground nuclear tests in the US (1950s and 60s) released more radioactivity than Chernobyl.

The main bioweapons facility I've heard of from the Soviets is Stepnogorsk. They did some crazy sh** in that place.



IIRC, the most Notorious Biological Weapons facility was located in Uzbekistan on the (former lakeshore) of the Aral sea and involved antibiotic resistant bacteria as well as airborne hemorrhagic viruses 8O

Stepnogorsk was an illegal facility that dealt with smallpox, drug-resistant bacteria of various kinds (including plague), ebola, and several exotic and scary-as-hell hybrids.


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16 Feb 2009, 2:54 am

Orwell wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Orwell wrote:
monty wrote:
Oh, yeah, the info is out there if anyone is interested ... I also remember reading about an abandoned bio-warfare facility that used to be on an island in the Aral Sea. The 'sea' dried up so much that anyone can drive to that site now.

I have also read that some of the above ground nuclear tests in the US (1950s and 60s) released more radioactivity than Chernobyl.

The main bioweapons facility I've heard of from the Soviets is Stepnogorsk. They did some crazy sh** in that place.



IIRC, the most Notorious Biological Weapons facility was located in Uzbekistan on the (former lakeshore) of the Aral sea and involved antibiotic resistant bacteria as well as airborne hemorrhagic viruses 8O

Stepnogorsk was an illegal facility that dealt with smallpox, drug-resistant bacteria of various kinds (including plague), ebola, and several exotic and scary-as-hell hybrids.


"Illegal" in the sense of violating international law? Or in the sense of being a covert facility whose existence is not acknowledge by the government. Apparently their biolgical weapons research was done mainly in central asia whereas their nuclear research was done in Siberia. The infamous lake Karachay is now covered in concrete, HOWEVER, the radioactivity is SO intense that the gamma rays emmited by the radionuclides that remain suspended in the lake can be detected from space! 8O



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16 Feb 2009, 3:35 am

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"Illegal" in the sense of violating international law? Or in the sense of being a covert facility whose existence is not acknowledge by the government. Apparently their biolgical weapons research was done mainly in central asia whereas their nuclear research was done in Siberia.

Illegal in the sense of being a direct violation of the anti-bioweapons treaty they signed a decade earlier. Obviously that would require it to be covert and not have its existence acknowledged by the government. This was in Kazakhstan.


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