How Screwed is the World Economy?
It seems as though we are seriously screwed when it comes to the economy.
10%+ unemployment rate in the USA
Nearly 40 million people on food stamps
GM, CITI, Toyota and numerous other huge companies are having record loses
The Stock Market went from over 14000 in 2007 to about 6600 now.
The other problem is, as people lose jobs, that means less money to by products which means more job lay offs, which means even less money in economy, which means less sales, which more job lay offs, and the cycle keeps going down and down.
As the US buys less, this significantly hurts production in Asia, Europe, and the rest of the world, which means the same thing will happen to them as to us, causing a world economic recession.
The question is, how big is this? And how bad will it get?
Remember, a Depression does not mean things look like 1933. It means we lose about 25% + of our previous wealth, and unemployment is 11% or greater for a period of more than 2 or 3 years.
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It's kind of difficult to find a job at least, but I think that for me it is mainly due to location and excess supply of available workers. I'm going to start college this summer, taking up accounting, something that is supposed to be in high demand. I'll start as a bookkeeper after I get my associates. Being unskilled labor tends to minimize the ability to get a job, so I'll learn a skill.
Actually, college graduate unemployment is up 41% this year. So I don't think that helps. I have three college degrees, I am also a CNA and have a Class A CDL.
Of all five of these, the one that keeps me employed is my CNA, which is in the health field.
I think having a skill is important yes, but you need to have a skill that is in demand, and you can get a job with that skill too. Just because a skill is in demand, doesn't mean you can get a job with a simple degree, it is more complicated than that.
My CNA gets me a job in lots of areas. It doesn't pay terrific, but it usually makes the rent. My degrees are burdens. I have ask why I didn't get a job in those areas. Very simple, I cannot get one, nobody wants to hire me because I have no experience. My CNA, I have years of experience, and I have all the certificates and no bad marks against me. So I get hired.
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I'm going to continue through with accounting until I have a master's in finance and pass the CPA exam, but I cannot get the experience without a first job in the field, of which there are three banks in my small town to possibly work for, a handful of small businesses, plus around 4,000 possible customers for me to help with their taxes during tax season. I think I'll be okay.
I had a lot of friends in college that did what you are doing. Most of them did pretty well. But not all. It is extremely difficult to get through business classes, like most students get Cs, smart people. And you have to have 3.5 GPA to get into the MA or MS program. It is also extremely difficult to afford a Master's because you don't get grants, and you don't get work with just a Bachelors. PhDs are better because when you get a Master's you can be a Teachers Aid or lecturer and pay your way through the PhD. But nobody funds the MA or MS programs.
I am sure you are smart enough, but it is huge thing you are taking on, and keep in mind, the government, banks, and other lenders are iin the process of restricting student loans, so you might a get a letter half way through your education saying your loans are not continued. It is a pain in the ass when it happens, and unless you got cash, you have to withdraw for a semester and come back again, which can mess up the two year program you are on.
If the God Damned Government would let GM, CitiGroup and A.I.G. go under (as they should) instead rewarding their principle officers for being incompetent we would hit bottom after which there is only one way to go --- up. In addition, the lessen that incompetence will NOT be rewarded might catch on. The very thought takes my breath away!
Can anyone here explain the insanity of stealing money from the public (that is what taxation is) to give to the likes of A.I.G. so that they can keep on loosing the money? It makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
If you look at the real economy, that is the plant, physical capital, data, and the skills that people possess, they are all intact. The only thing inhibiting the operation of our economy are the rules of transaction and the enforcement of debt. That latter can be modified by bankruptcy procedures. When a party is so hopelessly in debt he can never repay, then he is declared a bankrupt. His assets are seized and sold, and the debt-holders take a hit and then go one to better things. Businesses do fail. There has never been a day when some business did not fail. But the country goes on. The economy functions. Some people are hurt, but given people who took a bath and lost because debt was canceled can be given some relief through tax breaks. Life can and will go on. Once the debt holders realize they are out, there worry and panic can cease and they can begin to think about what to do next.
Paralysis is the enemy here and allowing bankruptcy for bloated and corrupt corporations can bring the end of paralysis sooner than later. We have a leaky life boat (so to speak) from which leakage can be bailed at a certain rate. When the leakage exceeds this weight then we have to jettison some of the cargo. If we don't we all drown. Better a few should go under than all.
Instead of "lending" (which is really giving) money to the likes of G.M. we should fire ever last person in upper management, put the company in receivership and maintain the technical staff and workers so they can get back to making cars. This way the assets of the company retain some value and more capable companies can buy them (at depressed prices to be sure). An arrangement can be made, that companies who buy the assets will be given tax breaks if the retain some of the workers in employment. Let Toyota, Honda buy what is left of G.M. and make some cars. Tell the U.A.W. that they are out of luck and all those juicy benefits will cease or diminish.
G.M. has not been a serious manufacturer of auto products for the last thirty years. What they make is sh*t. Time for them to sink.
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Thanks for the advice, it will be a pain for sure if my funding is cut off. It is what I want though: a job that is regular and doesn't discourage attention to detail. If it will take extra effort, then I'll do it. As of this year the FAFSA has qualified me for grants and subsidized loans, since I'm now considered "independent" due to my age. If I start college ever, this year would be the best probably.
As for the economy, I think it is a moderate recession. It's not going to change overnight though, regardless of any politician's promises. Employers actually like these conditions as far as I've noticed, since they can pick and choose whoever they like, and any employee who gives any trouble is just as valuable to them as the next guy off the street (at least for retail and other service industry jobs).
As for the economy, I think it is a moderate recession. It's not going to change overnight though, regardless of any politician's promises. Employers actually like these conditions as far as I've noticed, since they can pick and choose whoever they like, and any employee who gives any trouble is just as valuable to them as the next guy off the street (at least for retail and other service industry jobs).
One thing has got to change. The idea that the government will unconditionally bail out incompetent performers. Let the less competent sink to the level at which than can perform or produce.
ruveyn
Can anyone here explain the insanity of stealing money from the public (that is what taxation is) to give to the likes of A.I.G. so that they can keep on loosing the money? It makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
If you look at the real economy, that is the plant, physical capital, data, and the skills that people possess, they are all intact. The only thing inhibiting the operation of our economy are the rules of transaction and the enforcement of debt. That latter can be modified by bankruptcy procedures. When a party is so hopelessly in debt he can never repay, then he is declared a bankrupt. His assets are seized and sold, and the debt-holders take a hit and then go one to better things. Businesses do fail. There has never been a day when some business did not fail. But the country goes on. The economy functions. Some people are hurt, but given people who took a bath and lost because debt was canceled can be given some relief through tax breaks. Life can and will go on. Once the debt holders realize they are out, there worry and panic can cease and they can begin to think about what to do next.
Paralysis is the enemy here and allowing bankruptcy for bloated and corrupt corporations can bring the end of paralysis sooner than later. We have a leaky life boat (so to speak) from which leakage can be bailed at a certain rate. When the leakage exceeds this weight then we have to jettison some of the cargo. If we don't we all drown. Better a few should go under than all.
Instead of "lending" (which is really giving) money to the likes of G.M. we should fire ever last person in upper management, put the company in receivership and maintain the technical staff and workers so they can get back to making cars. This way the assets of the company retain some value and more capable companies can buy them (at depressed prices to be sure). An arrangement can be made, that companies who buy the assets will be given tax breaks if the retain some of the workers in employment. Let Toyota, Honda buy what is left of G.M. and make some cars. Tell the U.A.W. that they are out of luck and all those juicy benefits will cease or diminish.
G.M. has not been a serious manufacturer of auto products for the last thirty years. What they make is sh*t. Time for them to sink.
ruveyn
I agree with a lot of what you said, especially about not rewarding the idiots that helped put us in this mess.
However, here is the problem. Banks gave loans to people that didn't have the money. So now the banks are broke. With banks being broke, other businesses don't have capital to back the credit. With out the capital business cannot run, so they lay people off. which means demand declines, which means more people get laid off.
There is no solution. the damage was done when banks gave out trillions in bad loans. We have just wait it out until our bad debt is paid off.
As for the economy, I think it is a moderate recession. It's not going to change overnight though, regardless of any politician's promises. Employers actually like these conditions as far as I've noticed, since they can pick and choose whoever they like, and any employee who gives any trouble is just as valuable to them as the next guy off the street (at least for retail and other service industry jobs).
I wish you luck. I am sure your Aspyness will make you a better accountant than most.
You are very correct that employers like the ability to dumb lower qualified employees for more highly qualified employees at equal or lesser pay. Hiring manager also though have to be careful not to higher people that might replace them, or leave as soon as the economy gets better because they are offered better jobs with better pay.
However, here is the problem. Banks gave loans to people that didn't have the money. So now the banks are broke. With banks being broke, other businesses don't have capital to back the credit. With out the capital business cannot run, so they lay people off. which means demand declines, which means more people get laid off.
There is no solution. the damage was done when banks gave out trillions in bad loans. We have just wait it out until our bad debt is paid off.
Temporary relief by food handouts and shelter to those who need it, An immediate tax relief to any business that produces and sells goods and services and employs people. Effectively, make it possible for small and medium size business to get on with it. If people are assured that they will not starve or have rain fall on their heads, then they can gather their wits and get on with living and producing.
If we keep on shoveling money into black holes, the money will become worthless and we will end up like Germany did in the 30's, just waiting for a Man or Horseback to lead us to salvation. The current policies cannot work (in the long or even the medium run). It will mean being reduced to a barter economy which is a rather bad place to be. This will eliminate long term investment. Given that choice or letting the Chinese buy us at fire sale prices, the latter is better even if it is bad.
ruveyn
However, here is the problem. Banks gave loans to people that didn't have the money. So now the banks are broke. With banks being broke, other businesses don't have capital to back the credit. With out the capital business cannot run, so they lay people off. which means demand declines, which means more people get laid off.
There is no solution. the damage was done when banks gave out trillions in bad loans. We have just wait it out until our bad debt is paid off.
Temporary relief by food handouts and shelter to those who need it, An immediate tax relief to any business that produces and sells goods and services and employs people. Effectively, make it possible for small and medium size business to get on with it. If people are assured that they will not starve or have rain fall on their heads, then they can gather their wits and get on with living and producing.
If we keep on shoveling money into black holes, the money will become worthless and we will end up like Germany did in the 30's, just waiting for a Man or Horseback to lead us to salvation. The current policies cannot work (in the long or even the medium run). It will mean being reduced to a barter economy which is a rather bad place to be. This will eliminate long term investment. Given that choice or letting the Chinese buy us at fire sale prices, the latter is better even if it is bad.
Or maybe we will have a Revolution. All we need is a Man to Stir Up the Masses.
ruveyn
However, here is the problem. Banks gave loans to people that didn't have the money. So now the banks are broke. With banks being broke, other businesses don't have capital to back the credit. With out the capital business cannot run, so they lay people off. which means demand declines, which means more people get laid off.
There is no solution. the damage was done when banks gave out trillions in bad loans. We have just wait it out until our bad debt is paid off.
Temporary relief by food handouts and shelter to those who need it, An immediate tax relief to any business that produces and sells goods and services and employs people. Effectively, make it possible for small and medium size business to get on with it. If people are assured that they will not starve or have rain fall on their heads, then they can gather their wits and get on with living and producing.
If we keep on shoveling money into black holes, the money will become worthless and we will end up like Germany did in the 30's, just waiting for a Man or Horseback to lead us to salvation. The current policies cannot work (in the long or even the medium run). It will mean being reduced to a barter economy which is a rather bad place to be. This will eliminate long term investment. Given that choice or letting the Chinese buy us at fire sale prices, the latter is better even if it is bad.
Or maybe we will have a Revolution. All we need is a Man to Stir Up the Masses.
ruveyn
Yes, I don't think you can keep printing money to try and prop up a fake economy. You have to let the economy self correct and speed it up by removing unneeded regulations, and increase food stamps and housing assistance programs to those that cannot afford their loans.
Let the banks that messed up fail. Along with big corporations that also wasted money and managed it poorly.
Finally, I would put money in the form of low interest loans into small and medium businesses that have used their money wisely, and promise to create jobs with the loans. Also a nice tax rate reduction for short period of time to jolt the economy. Then leave it alone and recover naturally.
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I agree that GM should just be left to crash and burn, instead of getting all these handouts. Everyone knows American cars are beyond crap, anyway. You wanna go German for quality cars.
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According to Consumer Reports, Toyota, Honda and Nissan are the best.
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According to Consumer Reports, Toyota, Honda and Nissan are the best.
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Yes, those too, but it is also common knowledge that German cars are good as well.
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