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10 Mar 2009, 8:33 am

Yepp, as the atheist I am, I'm of course argueing alot with religious people, and now it was the great flood that was the subject. So just for fun I made a quick calculation of how large the Ark hade to be in order to be able to keep all 30 000 000 animals when the world was flooded.

Note! These are not exact values in (allmost) anyway.

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If he picked up two of every animal and had merely to store them the requirments are 2 dm3/pair of animals (cubic decimeter), the Ark itself had to be atlest 60 000 m3.
This means that it had to be atlest 100 m long, 60 m wide and 10 m hight, just to barely fit all the animals. Things not included in the calculation: Movement area, storage area for food and water, walking corridors, the size of the wooden structures inside the Ark or ballast (to make the ship steady). To avoid the animals dying of stress the first day you'd have to add another (generaly) 3 dm3 (atleast) to everyone of the 30 000 000 compartments. Then you'll have a volume of 150 000 m3. If each wall in the compartment is 2 cm thick you'll have an extra 60 m3 that's merley floor and walls.
You'll need atlest one corridor 4*4 m wide to fit the largest animals at the bottom of the ship (you'll want the heaviest animals the lowest) running through the bottom of the ship, and one corridor 2*2 every 10 meter on every level of the ship. Every level should be about (generaly) 3 meters high. This gives another 5 280 m3 in volume.
The storage areas should be about half the siza of the (small) animal compartments, so around 30 000 m3.
This becomes a total volume of 185 340 m3. This gives a size of about 132 m long, 70 wide and 20 m hight.
Last but not least you'll need the ballast about 1,5 m of stone and rocks at the bottom of the ship another 13 860 m3 of volume.
Ark total volume: 199 200 m3.
Length: 132,5 m.
Wide: 70 m.
Hight: 21,5 m.
In comparison to the Titanic:
Volume: ~232 960 m3. (Note that this is much to high since Titanic wasn't evenly shaped.)
Length: 260 m.
Wide: 28 m.
Hight: 32 m. (Without cimneys)


My conclusion is that Noah was the greatest mathematics and shipsbuilder in history of mankind! :lol:
The model I used for the imagenary shape of the Ark was the tradingships used in that period of time. (Not very slim or manuvereble.)

Feel free to criticize or ask questions about my calculations. :D


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10 Mar 2009, 8:42 am

If the bible were true, the Earth would be flat (the Bible speaks of the four corners of the Earth). Not only that the Sun would be going around the Earth and the Earth would only be about 6000 years old. So those cro mag cave paintings in France were done before the Earth was formed.

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10 Mar 2009, 8:51 am

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What if the Bible was true?

well it is true because it weighs about 2 kg and if it has mass then it exists.
anything that exists is true.

only hallucinations of bibles are not true.



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10 Mar 2009, 8:56 am

Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


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10 Mar 2009, 9:49 am

Henriksson wrote:
Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


And how did they make the axes?



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10 Mar 2009, 9:54 am

Sand wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


And how did they make the axes?


LOL, logic and reason will always fly in the face of blind faith.


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10 Mar 2009, 9:55 am

Sand wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


And how did they make the axes?

Mayby God made them grow on the tree? :D
I wonder what happened to those trees after that... I haven't seen them around. ^^

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LOL, logic and reason will always fly in the face of blind faith.

When your argumentation is limited by imagination only, you are religious.
//Me. :lol:


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10 Mar 2009, 10:00 am

ruveyn wrote:
If the bible were true, the Earth would be flat (the Bible speaks of the four corners of the Earth). Not only that the Sun would be going around the Earth and the Earth would only be about 6000 years old. So those cro mag cave paintings in France were done before the Earth was formed.

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Only if you interpret literally... I'm a practicing christian and I don't do that...



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10 Mar 2009, 10:02 am

Silvervarg wrote:
What if the Bible was true?

Then we're all in deeeeeeep doo-doo!



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10 Mar 2009, 10:05 am

Henriksson wrote:
Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


Eytz Kopher-heb. (Gopher Wood) was most likely cypress treated with pitch and other waterproofing material and possibly laminated for strength. Laminated wood items can be produced today that are stronger than steel.

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10 Mar 2009, 10:37 am

if there were only 2 of each animal on board the ark, then all future evolution must be based on inbreeding.

there is not enough water in the poles and the glaciers and the clouds to entirely cover all of earth so that all life would be flooded.
not nearly enough.

also the bible said that the first 2 humans were adam and eve.
and therefore the entire family tree of humanity is based upon inbreeding starting with adam and eves children.

if incest is so frowned upon, then how did adam and eves kids procreate?

god knows.



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10 Mar 2009, 10:40 am

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if incest is so frowned upon, then how did adam and eves kids procreate?


That's what I've always thought. It makes no sense!


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10 Mar 2009, 10:50 am

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if there were only 2 of each animal on board the ark, then all future evolution must be based on inbreeding.

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Of the unclean animals one pair. Of the clean animals seven pair. One pair to procreate, six to sacrifice to the Almighty.

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10 Mar 2009, 11:14 am

As for Noah's ark, its dimensions were:

Genesis 6:15 wrote:
And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.


A cubit can be from 16" up to 24", but more usually 18". My cubit, elbow to tip of middle finger, is 19.5". Going with 18", which is 1.5 feet, or 0.4572 meters, would make the Ark be

Length: 300 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 137 meters approx
Height: 30 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 14 meters approx
Width: 50 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 23 meters approx

There are three levels, as per Genesis 6:16, each of them having 137m*23m = 3200 m^2 approx area and the total volume is 137m*14m*23m = about 44,000 cubic meters.

Inferred from Genesis 7:20, the Ark was submersed halfway, making it disperse 22,000 cubic meters of water.



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10 Mar 2009, 11:26 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
b9 wrote:
if incest is so frowned upon, then how did adam and eves kids procreate?


That's what I've always thought. It makes no sense!


Adam and Eve were in the beginning, at 1 Anno Mundi.
The Flood occurred at 1656 Anno Mundi.
And the Law was given about 2500 Anno Mundi.

Anno Mundi being "year since Creation" or literally "year of the world".

So, the law concerning incest was given 2.5 millenia after Adam and Eve as well as about 850 years after the Flood. The law is pertinent to genetic mutations and dominant genes of the parents being expressed in the offspring, however it may be that the number of harmful mutations in the genome were minimal at the start of creation, if not nil to begin with by design.



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10 Mar 2009, 11:46 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

So, the law concerning incest was given 2.5 millenia after Adam and Eve as well as about 850 years after the Flood. The law is pertinent to genetic mutations and dominant genes of the parents being expressed in the offspring, however it may be that the number of harmful mutations in the genome were minimal at the start of creation, if not nil to begin with by design.


The start of Creation was about 13 billion years ago (or thereabouts). That is if you call the Big Bang creation.

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