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03 Apr 2009, 12:25 pm

Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?


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03 Apr 2009, 12:35 pm

Christians would say that God creates people to be heterosexual, but that later, they choose the sin of homosexuality.

But, hey ... if you're not a Christian, then why bother asking?



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03 Apr 2009, 12:45 pm

Fnord wrote:
Christians would say that God creates people to be heterosexual, but that later, they choose the sin of homosexuality.

But, hey ... if you're not a Christian, then why bother asking?


I was just interested. =/


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03 Apr 2009, 12:49 pm

TheUnnamedOne wrote:
Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?

Right, basically people were originally created in God's image, but then Adam and Eve sinned in a manner such that this cursed the whole of humanity descended from them to have sinful traits. Because of that, any characteristic a human may have, even if genetic predispositions come into play, could be argued as something that God didn't originally want man to have but rather to be a consequence of original sin.



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03 Apr 2009, 1:16 pm

This is called anthropomorphism, and for some reason people still believe in it today.

(The creator of everything caring about the insignificant speck known as mankind. Oh come on...)


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03 Apr 2009, 1:17 pm

I believe that homosexuality (The act of it) was brought on by Satan.
How you handle it is one thing.

Its not a sin to be gay but to act on it in a detestable way is sin.
If you have already done this its not too late to turn away and handle yourself differently.


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03 Apr 2009, 1:20 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
TheUnnamedOne wrote:
Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?

Right, basically people were originally created in God's image, but then Adam and Eve sinned in a manner such that this cursed the whole of humanity descended from them to have sinful traits. Because of that, any characteristic a human may have, even if genetic predispositions come into play, could be argued as something that God didn't originally want man to have but rather to be a consequence of original sin.

In terms of a Lewis' book I'm reading, "we are a bent hnau."



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03 Apr 2009, 1:22 pm

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Christians would say that God creates people to be heterosexual, but that later, they choose the sin of homosexuality.

I believe some christians actually believe that, but what AG said is what many other christians believe as well.

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But, hey ... if you're not a Christian, then why bother asking?

Because nonchristians and nonbelievers can be interested in these things.


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03 Apr 2009, 1:39 pm

The OP assumes they are born that way - a lot of Christians believe they grow up that way due to bad parenting, absent fathers or abuse.



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03 Apr 2009, 1:44 pm

TheUnnamedOne wrote:
Well I was just wondering (I might be wrong, and if so I'm sorry)....God makes people in his own image, right? So...wouldn't that include their sexuality? But yet, homosexuality, etc is a sin...but didn't God make them like that....?


Aside from the sin bit, any biological physiologist is well aware that every aspect of human structure is designed to work well within the ecology and gravity of Earth. If we lived on Jupiter we would probably have thick bones and huge muscles and perhaps ten legs and our physiology would be chemically entirely different. And if we lived on Pluto, again there would be major changes. Each planet requires an entirely different body structure and energy system. So if God, who I can reasonably assume exists in an entirely different environment from that that on Earth, cannot look like a human being. So I guess the guys who wrote the Bible never read science fiction.



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03 Apr 2009, 2:32 pm

God would be neither man, male nor female. There would be no need. Why would a God have the need for a gender and sexuality? This can also be said for the point of Heaven and Hell. I personally believe that they are the same person. I've never seen a single sided coin, why? Cos they don't exist



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03 Apr 2009, 2:44 pm

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God would be neither man, male nor female. There would be no need. Why would a God have the need for a gender and sexuality? This can also be said for the point of Heaven and Hell. I personally believe that they are the same person. I've never seen a single sided coin, why? Cos they don't exist


How about a coin shaped as a Moebius Strip?

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03 Apr 2009, 2:55 pm

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I believe that homosexuality (The act of it) was brought on by Satan.


:lmao:

That's DUMB Shadowgirl. Not your religion, but your belief about homosexuality. I guess Gods just not powerful enough to put a stop to it even though he allegedly doesnt approve of it :roll: . You blame homosexuality on Satan because homosexuality doesnt lead to procreation. That is the whole idea behind the bible's condemnation of it! The fact that homosexuality DOES EXIST among various species of mammals and birds[which were created by GOD, remember?]completely blows that belief out of the water. :wink:



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03 Apr 2009, 3:00 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I believe that homosexuality (The act of it) was brought on by Satan.


:lmao:

That's DUMB Shadowgirl. Not your religion, but your belief about homosexuality. I guess Gods just not powerful enough to put a stop to it even though he allegedly doesnt approve of it :roll: . You blame homosexuality on Satan because homosexuality doesnt lead to procreation. That is the whole idea behind the bible's condemnation of it! The fact that homosexuality DOES EXIST among various species of mammals and birds[which were created by GOD, remember?]completely blows that belief out of the water. :wink:

Rule number one when speaking to fundies: Don't call their religion dumb, you'll not be able to get positive responses.

BTW, Shadowgirl, aren't you an Asexual? Isn't that pretty sinful according to the Bible?


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03 Apr 2009, 3:19 pm

Henriksson wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Shadowgirl wrote:
I believe that homosexuality (The act of it) was brought on by Satan.


:lmao:

That's DUMB Shadowgirl. Not your religion, but your belief about homosexuality. I guess Gods just not powerful enough to put a stop to it even though he allegedly doesnt approve of it :roll: . You blame homosexuality on Satan because homosexuality doesnt lead to procreation. That is the whole idea behind the bible's condemnation of it! The fact that homosexuality DOES EXIST among various species of mammals and birds[which were created by GOD, remember?]completely blows that belief out of the water. :wink:

Rule number one when speaking to fundies: Don't call their religion dumb, you'll not be able to get positive responses.

BTW, Shadowgirl, aren't you an Asexual? Isn't that pretty sinful according to the Bible?


Yes I am asexual and its not sinful. Its better to be asexual then impure and have sex before marriage and or sodomy.

I read something last night in 1 Corinthians about it.

1 Corinthians 7 1-7

1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

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12"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."[b] 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

1 Corinthians 6 18-20
18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.


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03 Apr 2009, 3:19 pm

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BTW, Shadowgirl, aren't you an Asexual? Isn't that pretty sinful according to the Bible?

No, Paul never engaged in sexual relations.(1 Cor 7:7-8 ) Because of this, being asexual would seem to have no sin to it, as one can be perfectly fine never engaging in it.