Should parents be jailed in these cases?

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09 Apr 2009, 6:33 am

I think if parents are irresponsible enough to give birth to a child that will be blind, deaf, and suffering due to syphilis; they deserve to be locked up for the rest of their lives. Ditto for giving their child HIV. They should have been responsible enough to look at their health and the health of their sexual partners.

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09 Apr 2009, 6:44 am

These reckless and irresponsible parents are ruining their children's lives. Why should the children have to pay the price for their parents' irresponsibility?

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09 Apr 2009, 7:05 am

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No one can be 100 percent sure how a newborn will turn out.

And if forced termination of pregnancy can be imposed in the case of a mother with STD, how soon will it be before other pretexts for terminating pregnancy will be found?

I thoroughly and completely reject your proposal.

I prefer the Spartan approach. Let the pregnancy go to childbirth or natural miscarriage. Then if the new born is deformed beyond survivability it can be humanely disposed of or the parents denied any help at public expense. The Spartans tossed their ill formed children from a high cliff.

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09 Apr 2009, 7:16 am

ruveyn wrote:

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If the child is already born, I would consider it outright murder. The parents should be punished, not the child. No one is 100 percent sure how a child will turn out but children born blind, deaf and ret*d due to syphilis is a direct result of parental irresponsibility. This is no "accident".

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09 Apr 2009, 7:20 am

On the other hand, if the child is successfully treated ( in the womb or out) and these ill effects are prevented; the mother and father shouldn't have to be imprisoned.

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09 Apr 2009, 7:24 am

Condoms are only 97% effective, so it might not be the parents' fault.

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09 Apr 2009, 7:26 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

Condoms are only 97% effective, so it might not be the parents' fault.

They should be responsible enough to test themselves for STDs.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:18 am

And what would you have done with Hellen Keller's parents? Evidently ruveyn would have tossed her over a cliff.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:21 am

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And what would you have done with Hellen Keller's parents? Evidently ruveyn would have tossed her over a cliff.

Hellen Keller's parents wouldn't be at fault for her condition, unlike parents with syphilis or HIV.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:22 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

Condoms are only 97% effective, so it might not be the parents' fault.

In fact condoms are only 97% effective under "ideal use" conditions; the actual, "real use" success rate is 84%. And although the pill is 99.5% effective under ideal use conditions, its actual "real use" reliability is only 93% - 95%.

There were three million terminations in the USA in 2005, but the other 1.5 million unwanted/unplanned ( contraceptive failure ) pregnancies were carried to term.
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09 Apr 2009, 8:22 am

I think it's the mindset of throwing people in jail for not very serious crimes that is one of the factors that adds up to America having the most prisoners in the world, both by percentage and number.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:27 am

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They should be responsible enough to test themselves for STDs.

And what about parents who are Aspergers? Should they refrain from parenthood out of fear of giving birth to children with "severe" autism?

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09 Apr 2009, 8:32 am

timeisdead wrote:

Sand wrote:

And what would you have done with Hellen Keller's parents? Evidently ruveyn would have tossed her over a cliff.

Hellen Keller's parents wouldn't be at fault for her condition, unlike parents with syphilis or HIV.

Punishment, such as jail, is an extremely inefficient and expensive and basically brutal way to change behavior although it does give satisfaction to people with sadistic instincts who have no imagination to seek out the underlying circumstances and motivations for interpersonal tragedies. The circumstances involved in the birth of a defective child are so extremely varied with participants frequently unaware of the consequences of their actions that flat generalities as to solutions merely creates more horrible situations. Blame rarely satisfies any justified solution and the remedies out of blame are most frequently the base for more and continuing horrors. Proper remedies including relieving whatever medical difficulties that can be remedied and intelligent understanding of circumstances.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:35 am

timeisdead wrote:

These reckless and irresponsible parents are ruining their children's lives. Why should the children have to pay the price for their parents' irresponsibility?

This would also apply to anyone who drinks alcohol, smokes, eats little or no fresh green veg, or exposes themselves to infectious-illness during pregnancy, has herpes, has difficulty finding enough protein to eat, lives in areas with poor water supplies, ... etc. According to your argument only the healthiest and wealthiest and most protected members of society would be allowed to have children.

And, seeing as contraception has a significant failure rate, you would be condemning even more embryos to termination than at the moment, or large numbers of people to never having penetrative sex.

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09 Apr 2009, 8:57 am

ouinon wrote:

timeisdead wrote:

They should be responsible enough to test themselves for STDs.

And what about parents who are Aspergers? Should they refrain from parenthood out of fear of giving birth to children with "severe" autism?

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I think you can control whether or not you contract an STD......

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09 Apr 2009, 9:00 am

timeisdead wrote:

I think you can control whether or not you contract an STD......

Not so sure, even abstaining from sex completely doesn't work in certain parts of the world, eg: China, India, Africa.

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