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28 Mar 2009, 2:52 pm

What, if anything, should be done to Iran for their insistence on developing nuclear weapons? Should religious fundamentalist states be allowed by the rest of the world to develop nuclear weapons? If you don’t think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, what do you think should be done about it? Sanctions? Military intervention? Something else?



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28 Mar 2009, 3:48 pm

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What, if anything, should be done to Iran for their insistence on developing nuclear weapons? Should religious fundamentalist states be allowed by the rest of the world to develop nuclear weapons? If you don’t think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, what do you think should be done about it? Sanctions? Military intervention? Something else?


Pakistan, a Muslim nation with a strong contingent of Taliban, has nuclear weapons and nothing there seems to excite people towards invasion or war. Iran does not seem to be determined to attack the well armed USA that would crush it completely if it launched an atomic weapon. It has only a potential for developing atomic weapons and is far from having any. The only country that is obviously intensely interested in attacking Iran is Israel and it is Israel that is stirring up interest in a preemptive attack with its powerful propaganda groups in the USA. Al Qaeda would be delighted if Israel suckered the USA into attacking Iran as it would be a fantastic propaganda coup for the terrorists.



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28 Mar 2009, 4:00 pm

hester386 wrote:
What, if anything, should be done to Iran for their insistence on developing nuclear weapons? Should religious fundamentalist states be allowed by the rest of the world to develop nuclear weapons? If you don’t think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, what do you think should be done about it? Sanctions? Military intervention? Something else?


The Israelis will take care of it. Just like they did when Iraq built a nuclear facility. The Israeli Air Force did a beautiful surgical strike on the Bagdhad reactor killing only one, a French technician who ran out to surrender to the Israelis.

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28 Mar 2009, 4:09 pm

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What, if anything, should be done to Iran for their insistence on developing nuclear weapons? Should religious fundamentalist states be allowed by the rest of the world to develop nuclear weapons? If you don’t think Iran should be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, what do you think should be done about it? Sanctions? Military intervention? Something else?


The Israelis will take care of it. Just like they did when Iraq built a nuclear facility. The Israeli Air Force did a beautiful surgical strike on the Bagdhad reactor killing only one, a French technician who ran out to surrender to the Israelis.

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Iran is not stupid. They are well aware of Israeli intentions and have their facilities well hidden and in several places. Perhaps the Israeli's can discover all the sites but it is unlikely. Iran is probably prepared to strike back if attacked and an open war between Israel and Iran would likely be an even greater mistake than the attack on Lebanon.



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28 Mar 2009, 4:15 pm

I think the situation is a can of worms whatever action is taken, or not taken.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has already said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Allowing Iran to posses nuclear weapons would give him the tools to do just that. The old rule of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) that prevented the cold war from getting hot does not necessarily apply to extremists.

It is fair and reasonable that a sovereign country should be allowed to manage its own internal affairs regarding energy production without interference from other nations. However, if this is done as a cover for developing nuclear weapons then what?

If America or Israel (or any other body) tries to stop the development program by force I can see that just leading to an escalation of hatred against the West and Israel and more Muslims taking up terrorism. There is also no guarantee that such limited military action would be successful in the long term.

If the world waits until (maybe) Iran nukes Israel then it is likely Israel (and/or the USA) will wipe Iran off the face of the earth.

Nuking Iran in a pre-emptive strike would literally be massive overkill and the consequences across the world would be substantial to say the least. It would likely lead to some sort of prolonged religious world war and civil war in several countries with mixed populations of Muslims.

Its a mess however you look at it.

The situation is ticking. I've a suspicion it will blow up in everyone's face sooner or later one way or the other.


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28 Mar 2009, 6:16 pm

We are going to have to nuke Iran sooner or later. I just hope we have Obama out of office in time to nuke them before it becomes a missile crisis or before they can launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel.


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28 Mar 2009, 6:18 pm

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We are going to have to nuke Iran sooner or later. I just hope we have Obama out of office in time to nuke them before it becomes a missile crisis or before they can launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel.


why are you going to have to nuke iran?

who is "we" btw.
why cant you let china nuke iran?

do you REALLY think iran will nuke-away at you, when they aquire their nuke? do you think iran hasnt noticed that they will be nuked right back?


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28 Mar 2009, 6:26 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
We are going to have to nuke Iran sooner or later. I just hope we have Obama out of office in time to nuke them before it becomes a missile crisis or before they can launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel.


why are you going to have to nuke iran?

who is "we" btw.
why cant you let china nuke iran?

do you REALLY think iran will nuke-away at you, when they aquire their nuke? do you think iran hasnt noticed that they will be nuked right back?

1) China and Iran get along. China is Iran's #1 customer for oil and natural gas.

2) Iran has a very militant fundamentalist government. By their logic, an attack by a western country or Israel would be considered a holy war against islam and every Iranian that died would then be a martyr and to to the islamic paradise. There is nothing deterring them from waging war once they have nuclear weapons.


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28 Mar 2009, 6:29 pm

John_Browning wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
We are going to have to nuke Iran sooner or later. I just hope we have Obama out of office in time to nuke them before it becomes a missile crisis or before they can launch a pre-emptive strike on Israel.


why are you going to have to nuke iran?

who is "we" btw.
why cant you let china nuke iran?

do you REALLY think iran will nuke-away at you, when they aquire their nuke? do you think iran hasnt noticed that they will be nuked right back?

1) China and Iran get along. China is Iran's #1 customer for oil and natural gas.

2) Iran has a very militant fundamentalist government. By their logic, an attack by a western country or Israel would be considered a holy war against islam and every Iranian that died would then be a martyr and to to the islamic paradise. There is nothing deterring them from waging war once they have nuclear weapons.


their own total destruction is a deterrent. by your logic, they would have launched wave after wave of non stop land invasions across eurasia. suicidal missions would only be holy and righteous, so why arent they?


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28 Mar 2009, 6:53 pm

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their own total destruction is a deterrent. by your logic, they would have launched wave after wave of non stop land invasions across eurasia. suicidal missions would only be holy and righteous, so why arent they?

What do you think they did on the eastern Iraqi border in the '80s? And they even called that a holy war. They had teenage kids run through minefields to clear paths for soldiers, who in turn were most likely just going to get gassed.


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28 Mar 2009, 7:17 pm

Tallyman pretty much nailed it: There isn't a good solution.

The men who don't exist should probably not go there and do unpleasant things that won't happen to things that weren't there in the first place. *meaning mossad/Delta/SEAL Team Six*

Frankly, I don't mind any *country* having nukes. What scares the everliving s**t out of me is the possibility that a nuke Iran makes may disappear, and then detonate in some city somewhere, giving them plausible deniability. ICBMs are like tracer rounds, they point both ways. A nuke hidden in a vending machine is much harder to track.



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28 Mar 2009, 7:31 pm

John_Browning wrote:
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their own total destruction is a deterrent. by your logic, they would have launched wave after wave of non stop land invasions across eurasia. suicidal missions would only be holy and righteous, so why arent they?

What do you think they did on the eastern Iraqi border in the '80s? And they even called that a holy war. They had teenage kids run through minefields to clear paths for soldiers, who in turn were most likely just going to get gassed.


iran still exists after that. it was a bloody war, but a border war waged by IRAQ.

you're talking about nuclear holocaust initiated by iran, just for the hell of it. theyre two very different ideas.


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28 Mar 2009, 11:13 pm

I would like to point out, maybe the problem with Iran is their leadership? =.= I reckon i've seen a documentary about Iran and the young people there dress like those in the West =/ . Anyways, my 2 cents.



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28 Mar 2009, 11:22 pm

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I would like to point out, maybe the problem with Iran is their leadership? =.= I reckon i've seen a documentary about Iran and the young people there dress like those in the West =/ . Anyways, my 2 cents.


of course. people are people are people. look at immigrants, iranian people IN norway are mostly just like norwegians. norway has TWO, not one, but TWO female iranian porn/nude models :roll:

i also saw a docu about iranian rock bands, who had to practice and play in secret, well as litterally a shady illegal business, since rock music is outlawed.
so they'd organize, the same way illegal gambling is organized i bet, and have rock-concerts.


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29 Mar 2009, 1:41 am

I find it amusing that the nation with the world's largest nuclear stockpile, and the only nation that has ever actually used atomic bombs in warfare, is also the nation that seems to throw such a huge fuss when other countries start developing nuclear capabilities.


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29 Mar 2009, 2:11 am

The armaments industry is driven by the same factors as any capitalist enterprise and just as it has encouraged people to be frightened of each other to sell efficient tools for murder it will not be satisfied until every household has an atomic bomb in the closet to be used only in extreme emergencies.