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19 Apr 2009, 11:50 am
wow thats a great idea. i guess since everything should be made legal bad or good just because people need maximum freedoms. the more the better, maybe killers should be let off the hook because im shure some get an adrenaline rush when they kill. hey maybe they can walk on out to the governemnts distrabution center for all things legal to pick some up on the way to murdering your family. your notion is silly, yeah most people in prison are in for drug offences. so what? most drugs are addictive. and destructive. thats why there illegal, not because of some money power trip the government wants control over. give me a flipping break, anyways remember vibratetogether its only illegal if you get caught. i'd imagine it would be alot better shotting dope up in your arm on the shores of america than say saudia arabia 
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19 Apr 2009, 12:27 pm
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19 Apr 2009, 12:37 pm
i know anyone can do them. thats why i said its only illegal if you get caught, vibratetogether thinks that if all drugs are legal more people will be willing to clean up. hey maybe they'd try them a couple of times and be all like nah this isnt for me. haha
im happy you brought smoking and drinking into the mix. how many have had a problem quiting those?
and they are legal
19 Apr 2009, 12:44 pm
yes, let us legalize PCP! great idea! 
19 Apr 2009, 1:01 pm
The word that is most appropriate for what you just said is asinine, defined as failing to exercise intelligence or judgment. No one is saying that violent criminals should be allowed to victimize people at will because otherwise it would be an infringement on their rights, what is being said is that drug prohibition causes far more problems than it solves, and even as seemingly extreme a position as total legalization would likely lead to less net violence and crime against others. Drug prohibition and all that goes with it is a perfect example of "the cure" being worse than the disease, no one is denying that drugs can't seriously mess up someone's life, but that the best "solution" to the problem is not blanket prohibition and throwing millions of people in jail at great expense.
Again, you're pulling things out of you ass with this idea that people like VT and myself want to legalize violent crime, when in fact violent crime is probably the kind that we are most serious about punishing. Violent crooks need to be in jail, period, but the argument isn't nearly so cut and dry for "crimes" involving drug possession. Our problem is that by expanding the definition of what constitutes a "crime" so broadly through the "drug war", we've blighted our inner cities, bankrupted our judicial system, and ruined millions of lives for no good reason while we're at it. The nasty truth of the matter is that the "war on drugs" has made things far worse for the average citizen, putting him and his loved ones in danger while simultaneously draining billions of dollars of tax money that could have gone to improving everyone's lot. How do I benefit from locking up somebody who was growing pot in their basement? The private prison industry benefits, the DEA/Justice Department/Local Police bureaucracy benefit, possibly even the news media benefits, but does society as a whole benefit?
Drugs would be dirt cheap and clean if they were freely and legally available, and that alone would prevent most of the unpleasant consequences to society that stem from drug use. DUI is still illegal, companies doing construction or heavy lifting work will still drug test, most people won't run out to by an 8-ball just because it's suddenly legal, even if legal there would still be a stigma surrounding drug use that would keep most professional types away. Junkies don't mug people because they want to, crackheads don't steal things because it's fun, they do those things to get their next fix because the price is artificially high due to prohibition. How about 10,000+ dead on the Mexican border due to drug violence, think they'd be fighting like that if the money fell out of their product due to legalizing? How long are we going to pursue an ineffective strategy that makes things worse for most people, because it benefits a few bureaucracies and the people they've brainwashed into mindlessness when it comes to drugs? How much more blood do we need on the hands of prohibition before we finally decide that the "great experiment" is a hopeless failure and try something else?
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Hyperbole will get you nowhere... Just to take PCP, have you ever done it, or even known anyone who's done it? Ever bought it or know where to buy it? I've never touched it myself, but I do know what number to call if the urge ever possessed me, how would making it legal change anything for people like me? Do you really think there would be a mad rush of crazed suburbanites who for all theses years have always wanted to do PCP but have held off because of the law? Do you really think that someone who's high on 'dust is any worse than someone who's drunk off their ass or loaded up on 15 Redbulls? Right now, people do 'dust because it's illegal, if you could buy it over the counter do you think it would have the same bad boy appeal? Not to mention, how do you know that having chemically clean PCP readily available wouldn't reduce or eliminate many of the unpleasant effects that the street version has, I mean who knows how may times and with what that baggie you get on a corner's been stepped on? Having a cheap, clean supply readily available would reduce the "collateral damage" of drug use signifigantly, which is much more than can be said for the current system of simply locking everyone up.
My point here being, even with something as seeming clear cut as Angel Dust, there are many shades of gray involved and a one line snide comment isn't really contributing to the discussion. By all means, if you have something relevant to ad to the conversation don't hesitate, but spare us the peanut gallery sniping.
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19 Apr 2009, 1:34 pm
Oh
My
God
What a stupid post. Sorry to be so blunt but Im pretty dismayed Richardbenson. On the other hand, are you being sarcastic?
