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Laconvivencia
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26 Apr 2009, 2:52 pm

I would like to Bring together Iranian Jews who are anywhere on the Autistic Spectrum.



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26 Apr 2009, 4:40 pm

Ooh! Me me! Just kidding. :lol:

Something tells me you're not going to get many replies.


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26 Apr 2009, 4:53 pm

Dhimmis? 8O



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26 Apr 2009, 5:10 pm

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26 Apr 2009, 7:34 pm

Is Judaism even legal in Iran?



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26 Apr 2009, 8:00 pm

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Is Judaism even legal in Iran?


There are a few ancient communities, these go back to biblical times - more or less breakaways. I don't know the specific degree of sharia imposed in Iran, most of the time in these situations other religions are tolerated as long as they both 1) pay the dhimmi tax (tax for being a non-muslim) and 2). worship strictly in private - do not speak of their religion at all, otherwise it will be heresy against Islam and any protection that they had been paying for with the tax will be superseded by this.

Usually its a very definite second-class citizen role and in the case of the Jewish communities in Iran they most likely refuse to go anywhere just because - their ancestors have held that land for so long that they likely feel that they'd be dishonoring their own heritage as well as letting religious tyranny prevail.



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26 Apr 2009, 11:06 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
hester386 wrote:
Is Judaism even legal in Iran?


There are a few ancient communities, these go back to biblical times - more or less breakaways. I don't know the specific degree of sharia imposed in Iran, most of the time in these situations other religions are tolerated as long as they both 1) pay the dhimmi tax (tax for being a non-muslim) and 2). worship strictly in private - do not speak of their religion at all, otherwise it will be heresy against Islam and any protection that they had been paying for with the tax will be superseded by this.

Usually its a very definite second-class citizen role and in the case of the Jewish communities in Iran they most likely refuse to go anywhere just because - their ancestors have held that land for so long that they likely feel that they'd be dishonoring their own heritage as well as letting religious tyranny prevail.


Taxes are, of course, what the citizens of a country pay to support government activity. In the USA religions are exempt from paying many of the taxes that all other individuals and organizations must pay for community activities. Nevertheless, those activities must be paid for so, in effect, all citizens are required to support non-tax paying sectors with their taxes.



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27 Apr 2009, 12:22 am

didn't Iran's leader just recently proclaim there were no jews in Iran? Or was that homosexuals?



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27 Apr 2009, 2:21 am

Is there a preference for either Sephardim (Mizrachim) or Ashkenazim?

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27 Apr 2009, 3:42 am

Sand wrote:
Taxes are, of course, what the citizens of a country pay to support government activity. In the USA religions are exempt from paying many of the taxes that all other individuals and organizations must pay for community activities. Nevertheless, those activities must be paid for so, in effect, all citizens are required to support non-tax paying sectors with their taxes.


Dhimma is very specific - its a tax that is *not* raised on Muslims. The broader dhimma situation is made to wear down other religions, subjugate them, and hopefully as an end result have the children of those families assess their own rights and choose Islam if they don't want to be treated like their parents in a sort of 1930's German kind of way.



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27 Apr 2009, 4:52 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Sand wrote:
Taxes are, of course, what the citizens of a country pay to support government activity. In the USA religions are exempt from paying many of the taxes that all other individuals and organizations must pay for community activities. Nevertheless, those activities must be paid for so, in effect, all citizens are required to support non-tax paying sectors with their taxes.


Dhimma is very specific - its a tax that is *not* raised on Muslims. The broader dhimma situation is made to wear down other religions, subjugate them, and hopefully as an end result have the children of those families assess their own rights and choose Islam if they don't want to be treated like their parents in a sort of 1930's German kind of way.


In other words, the way religious people treat us atheists.



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27 Apr 2009, 9:47 am

Actually Jews are treated well in Iran, there is even a Jewish Member of the Iranian Parliment, Iran is not anti semitic, it is Anti-Israel like i am.



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27 Apr 2009, 12:06 pm

anti-sionist? I could understand that. I generally have no beef with the jewish community anywhere on the planet, but those guys really piss me off =.= There is some truth in what Ahmadinejad says when the Israel state is "racist", but it's kind of a pity he's so incoherent (and somewhat angsty) that people ignore him. In any event, i wouldn't cry if the Israel state met its demise eventually, if they had wanted a state, they should've tried to attain it using more peaceful and diplomatic means (yes i know, the context of that time didn't really fit itself for that kind of mentality, but heh...).

Besides, i am skeptic wether or not the iranian economy would fare so well without the contribution of jews to it... (I'll only name the example of Spain which at its apex chased its jews away which triggered its decline... )



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28 Apr 2009, 5:07 pm

Q: How do Iranians make long distance phone calls?

A: Persian to Persian.


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29 Apr 2009, 9:49 pm

Sand wrote:
In other words, the way religious people treat us atheists.


Did you just lay out your personal dig with religion in one sentence? I think we're making progress here.

If there is a single thing I wish I could pass on to you its that completely outside the question of what your thought on a 'god' is, theism has dignity. Ideas and precepts are solute not solvent, the particular people and their own derangements don't define the idea, nor do they define truth. Just like the most upright person can slip, an alcoholic can have a profoundly great idea - if you try too hard to tack the merits of the idea to the vessel rather than on its own accord your failing to get the whole scope of things. I'm not telling you to become a theist, just trying to say that whatever has happened to you through whoever for whatever reason - I can see, outside of your life without all the emotional baggage stored up - that its getting in the way of your ability to differentiate the core of the matter and the ideas running through it from the particular people and then the particular people involved pollute your image of it so much that you define it by a small handful and then define everyone else who couldn't stand these people either. It doesn't even matter how much you may have been legitimately hammered or abused by a few particular 'Jesus freaks', its still a big emotional dent and its still siphoning your clarity. If nothing else I'd just think the weight of such baggage is a waste of happiness that could be had in lieu of it.



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29 Apr 2009, 11:17 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Sand wrote:
In other words, the way religious people treat us atheists.


Did you just lay out your personal dig with religion in one sentence? I think we're making progress here.

If there is a single thing I wish I could pass on to you its that completely outside the question of what your thought on a 'god' is, theism has dignity. Ideas and precepts are solute not solvent, the particular people and their own derangements don't define the idea, nor do they define truth. Just like the most upright person can slip, an alcoholic can have a profoundly great idea - if you try too hard to tack the merits of the idea to the vessel rather than on its own accord your failing to get the whole scope of things. I'm not telling you to become a theist, just trying to say that whatever has happened to you through whoever for whatever reason - I can see, outside of your life without all the emotional baggage stored up - that its getting in the way of your ability to differentiate the core of the matter and the ideas running through it from the particular people and then the particular people involved pollute your image of it so much that you define it by a small handful and then define everyone else who couldn't stand these people either. It doesn't even matter how much you may have been legitimately hammered or abused by a few particular 'Jesus freaks', its still a big emotional dent and its still siphoning your clarity. If nothing else I'd just think the weight of such baggage is a waste of happiness that could be had in lieu of it.


Please rest easy about my emotional relation to religion. I have never suffered in any personal way from not accepting what seems to me the total inane baggage that religion conveys and my only difficulty with religious people has been their almost total inability to thing clearly about many of religion's commonly accepted concepts. I am truly impressed with the intellectual potential of humanity's intellect and I find it totally perverse that the intense idiocies have so distorted those potentials as to promote abject ignorances and cruelties that threaten decency and even the existence of life itself on this planet for no sensible reason. It insults me and frightens me.