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13 May 2009, 2:15 am

What difference in the world would there be if there was no god?


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13 May 2009, 2:17 am

We would be considered insane and be forced to be on medication.


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13 May 2009, 2:38 am

Life would lose much of its meaning, some metaphysical questions would cease to make sense, and there would be no real basis for making absolute statements, especially as regards morality.


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13 May 2009, 2:39 am

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Life would lose much of its meaning, some metaphysical questions would cease to make sense, and there would be no real basis for making absolute statements, especially as regards morality.

Please elaborate.


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13 May 2009, 2:45 am

Henriksson wrote:
Please elaborate.

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13 May 2009, 2:49 am

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We would be considered insane and be forced to be on medication.

That's right! It's even included in the well-put source of wisdom known as Hundreds of Proofs of God's Existance!

#126 ARGUMENT FROM CRAZINESS, a.k.a. PERCHANCE'S SISTER'S ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I would go crazy if I didn't believe in God.
(2) I am not crazy, and don't want to go crazy.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


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13 May 2009, 2:57 am

Well, think of the ramifications of enforcing your subjective (yes subjective because you cannot prove that there is no non-material lifeforms that reside within our vast universe) would affect those who have a different point of view. Would that make the world better?
Why do you care what we believe? Ask yourself that. If it doesn't hurt you but only brings enrichment to a theist's life, why do you care? Even if you do care so much, if you really cared you'd let go of it and let us be. Caring and controlling are polar opposites. They are constant companions.


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13 May 2009, 3:07 am

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Well, think of the ramifications of enforcing your subjective (yes subjective because you cannot prove that there is no non-material lifeforms that reside within our vast universe)

There is no reason to assume any 'non-material' (whatever that means) life forms, so there is no reason to believe in it either.

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would affect those who have a different point of view. Would that make the world better?

Of course it would. Why wouldn't it?

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Why do you care what we believe? Ask yourself that. If it doesn't hurt you but only brings enrichment to a theist's life, why do you care?

I hate apathy, and I don't think people should get themselves wrapped in nonsensical concepts, but rather grab the bull by it's horns and dare face reality.

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Even if you do care so much, if you really cared you'd let go of it and let us be. Caring and controlling are polar opposites. They are constant companions.

Well... I am a somewhat unconventional person. And the only thing I want to force people to do is to think critically, ask questions, debate. A lot of people around here say they 'don't argue', which makes me dismayed.

Also...

#137 ARGUMENT FROM POSITIVE OUTCOME
(1) Even if God doesn’t exist, it would be better if people believed He did.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


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13 May 2009, 3:39 am

nonsensical to you is subjective. If you can't see that then we have proof right here that you are not objective. Unless you are God/The Ultimate Creator, you can't say what the absolute truth for the entire universe should believe in, in matters of creation, (the ultimate creation). Give us your proof and I will be the first in line to take the meds to make me think like you.


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13 May 2009, 3:46 am

Magnus wrote:
nonsensical to you is subjective. If you can't see that then we have proof right here that you are not objective. Unless you are God/The Ultimate Creator, you can't say what the absolute truth for the entire universe should believe in, in matters of creation, (the ultimate creation). Give us your proof and I will be the first in line to take the meds to make me think like you.


That is why agnosticism>atheism imo. Don't get mad at me now atheist folks, I generally see eye to eye with you, but as far as philosophy goes I see atheism as having the same flaw of theism, the idea that you can know anything of matters greater than you.

That being said, of course there is no "proof" that there is no god, just as there is no "proof" that there is a god. Unfortunately for the theist's case, there is that uncomfortable subject of the massive amounts of evidence that hurt your claims, companied by that other uncomfortable subject of massive leaps in basic logic.



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13 May 2009, 3:49 am

Plus the fact that it seems highly unlikely that the entire universe contains no life but what our own in our world. 1 cc of empty space contains more energy than all the matter in our world. We are comprised of the same thing as out there.


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13 May 2009, 3:58 am

vibratetogether wrote:
Magnus wrote:
nonsensical to you is subjective. If you can't see that then we have proof right here that you are not objective. Unless you are God/The Ultimate Creator, you can't say what the absolute truth for the entire universe should believe in, in matters of creation, (the ultimate creation). Give us your proof and I will be the first in line to take the meds to make me think like you.


That is why agnosticism>atheism imo. Don't get mad at me now atheist folks, I generally see eye to eye with you, but as far as philosophy goes I see atheism as having the same flaw of theism, the idea that you can know anything of matters greater than you.

That being said, of course there is no "proof" that there is no god, just as there is no "proof" that there is a god. Unfortunately for the theist's case, there is that uncomfortable subject of the massive amounts of evidence that hurt your claims, companied by that other uncomfortable subject of massive leaps in basic logic.

Let me ask you, vibratetogether. Are you agnostic towards The Dragon in my Garage?


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13 May 2009, 4:04 am

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13 May 2009, 4:14 am

Henriksson wrote:
vibratetogether wrote:
Magnus wrote:
nonsensical to you is subjective. If you can't see that then we have proof right here that you are not objective. Unless you are God/The Ultimate Creator, you can't say what the absolute truth for the entire universe should believe in, in matters of creation, (the ultimate creation). Give us your proof and I will be the first in line to take the meds to make me think like you.


That is why agnosticism>atheism imo. Don't get mad at me now atheist folks, I generally see eye to eye with you, but as far as philosophy goes I see atheism as having the same flaw of theism, the idea that you can know anything of matters greater than you.

That being said, of course there is no "proof" that there is no god, just as there is no "proof" that there is a god. Unfortunately for the theist's case, there is that uncomfortable subject of the massive amounts of evidence that hurt your claims, companied by that other uncomfortable subject of massive leaps in basic logic.

Let me ask you, vibratetogether. Are you agnostic towards The Dragon in my Garage?


From a philosophical standpoint, yes, I am agnostic towards the alleged "dragon" in your alleged "garage". From a tangible day-to-day critical thinking standpoint, of course I do not believe there is a dragon in your garage. But, from that philosophical standpoint, since I am not currently in your garage (AS FAR AS YOU KNOW!), there is no way for me to know for sure.



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13 May 2009, 4:22 am

Henriksson wrote:
What difference in the world would there be if there was no god?

What difference would there be in the world if there was no truth, or justice, or beauty? People argue about the existence of those too.

It's belief, ( either individual or collective ), in them that makes the difference.

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13 May 2009, 4:25 am

Henriksson wrote:
What difference in the world would there be if there was no god?

There would be no divine purpose nor any afterlife.