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09 Jan 2008, 12:29 pm

Baby has 128 electrodes attached to head in bid to discover secrets of autism (Daily Mail)

She may look like she's had an accident with a bowl of spaghetti.

But five-month-old Almita Knutsson's unusual head wear has a far more serious purpose.

From the 128 probes attached to her scalp monitoring electromagnetic brain activity, scientists will gather information they hope could lead to a breakthrough in the understanding of autism.

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09 Jan 2008, 12:32 pm

they hooked me up to one of those when i was a kid... didn't get any results tho, the machine broke... my mom likes to tell the story of how my big brain broke the brain scanner



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09 Jan 2008, 1:15 pm

My attention was drawn to this paragraph:

"Over half a million people in the UK suffer from autism, which leaves them struggling to communicate effectively. Boys are four times more likely to develop it than girls and there is no known cause and no cure."

1. I don't 'suffer' from autism
2. I can communicate just fine when people compromise and accept my ways of communication as well as me accpeting theirs. Problems generally occur when NTs enforce their way of communication in people with autism and are totally unwilling to make any adaptations.



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09 Jan 2008, 2:15 pm

girl7000 wrote:
My attention was drawn to this paragraph:

"Over half a million people in the UK suffer from autism, which leaves them struggling to communicate effectively. Boys are four times more likely to develop it than girls and there is no known cause and no cure."

1. I don't 'suffer' from autism
2. I can communicate just fine when people compromise and accept my ways of communication as well as me accpeting theirs. Problems generally occur when NTs enforce their way of communication in people with autism and are totally unwilling to make any adaptations.


Oh hush, you. We've heard it a million times before, and it's not what this thread is about. If you want to whine about the details, make a new thread in the appropriate forum. But since we're talking about it:
  1. "Suffering" is a generic term that is not intended to suggest that you're really terribly unhappy about it. It lends itself to plenty of jokes, but taking it too seriously results in wankery like this.
  2. You can communicate just fine given X and Y and Z, and .... Wait, when do these conditions occur? The point is that you will invariably have difficulty communicating with the average Joe who doesn't have a clue what you're on about or care to understand why you're so different. Sorry, just don't take it personally.


Back on topic: I had something like this done when I was a kid (I think it was only like 64 electrodes?), and that's how I was diagnosed. But I wasn't nearly as young as that girl. I was in 4th grade. Anyway, I'm curious to see what this study will reveal.


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09 Jan 2008, 4:05 pm

WurdBendur wrote:
Back on topic: I had something like this done when I was a kid (I think it was only like 64 electrodes?), and that's how I was diagnosed.


AS can be diagnosed by EEG? Or was it used to diagnose something else? As far as I know, AS is not currently associated with any type of EEG result. I'm not being critical; I'd just like more information.

I was given an EEG when I was 6. They never told me why, but I think it was because they thought my autistic behavior might be caused by seizures. The result was normal, and I have an AS diagnosis. Of course, my EEG was done in 1985, before AS was being diagnosed.



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10 Jan 2008, 3:23 am

I don't recall where but I've seen some mention of difference in EEG in (some) autistic people when doing certain tasks. If it were a solid link they'd be using it more for diagnosing asd's, or it's still very new.



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10 Jan 2008, 3:58 am

WurdBendur wrote:
girl7000 wrote:
My attention was drawn to this paragraph:

"Over half a million people in the UK suffer from autism, which leaves them struggling to communicate effectively. Boys are four times more likely to develop it than girls and there is no known cause and no cure."

1. I don't 'suffer' from autism
2. I can communicate just fine when people compromise and accept my ways of communication as well as me accpeting theirs. Problems generally occur when NTs enforce their way of communication in people with autism and are totally unwilling to make any adaptations.


Oh hush, you. We've heard it a million times before, and it's not what this thread is about. If you want to whine about the details, make a new thread in the appropriate forum. But since we're talking about it:
  1. "Suffering" is a generic term that is not intended to suggest that you're really terribly unhappy about it. It lends itself to plenty of jokes, but taking it too seriously results in wankery like this.
  2. You can communicate just fine given X and Y and Z, and .... Wait, when do these conditions occur? The point is that you will invariably have difficulty communicating with the average Joe who doesn't have a clue what you're on about or care to understand why you're so different. Sorry, just don't take it personally.

Back on topic: I had something like this done when I was a kid (I think it was only like 64 electrodes?), and that's how I was diagnosed. But I wasn't nearly as young as that girl. I was in 4th grade. Anyway, I'm curious to see what this study will reveal.


I wasn't 'whining' I was just expressing my opinion as to the tone of the article and the impression that it will give to its readers.

There is no need to be rude, and I particularly object to your use of the term "w***ery".
Please refrain from being rude to me - I don't know you and have never been rude to you. If you can't be nice just leave me alone.



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11 Jan 2008, 3:49 am

EvilKimEvil wrote:
AS can be diagnosed by EEG? Or was it used to diagnose something else? As far as I know, AS is not currently associated with any type of EEG result. I'm not being critical; I'd just like more information.


Well, it was never really explained to me, so I just sort of guessed. I assume it was used to rule out other conditions.

EvilKimEvil wrote:
I was given an EEG when I was 6. They never told me why, but I think it was because they thought my autistic behavior might be caused by seizures. The result was normal, and I have an AS diagnosis. Of course, my EEG was done in 1985, before AS was being diagnosed.


I was never told what mine was for either, or the results. Come to think of it, I think that was when they decided I was hyperactive. I was told to take a nap, which is something I absolutely can not do, and then I was repeatedly scolded for moving my eyes because it showed up on the EEG. I was just about ready to rip the wires off and shove them down that snappy nurse's throat.

Edit: I didn't, of course, and she was behind glass anyway.


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11 Jan 2008, 1:45 pm

I had a EEG done for seizures when I was 12. I don't know how it turned out. Did it show normal waves or different waves than a normal brain.



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12 Jan 2008, 12:58 pm

Is this really safe? The probes. Along the line with things such as cell phones causing cancer?


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12 Jan 2008, 6:56 pm

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Is this really safe? The probes. Along the line with things such as cell phones causing cancer?


There are no probes. They're electrodes that are glued onto the scalp. It's completely noninvasive and totally passive. They just sit there picking up charges that are naturally there.

Also, cell phones do not cause cancer. GSM cell phones are known to cause headaches, but nothing serious.


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14 Jan 2008, 9:51 pm

Cancer health eludes to the opposite. I'm not going to stop watching my tv or listening to my i-pod full volume for hours on end. But, well, here is what it says:

"If Mobile Phones Were a Type of Food, They Simply Would Not be Licensed"

Cellular phone increases the risk of brain cancer (brain tumor).


Cellular phones can do biological damage through heating effects.


Cellular phone causes symptoms: including headaches, earaches, blurring of vision, short-term memory loss, numbing, tingling, and burning sensations, bad sleep,fatigue, Anxiety.


Single and double strand DNA breaks in brain cells increased after exposure to RF. Exposure to both continuous wave and pulsed RF (mobil phone) produced DNA damage. Double strand breaks, if not repaired, are known to lead to cell death.


Research by other scientists indicates that prolonged use of mobile phones may cause hot-spots to develop inside the brain, causing damage which could lead to Alzheimer’s disease or cancer (brain tumor).


Dr Henry Lai and Dr N. P. Singh from the University of Washington in Seattle believe the radiation changed brain cell membranes in the rats - and the effects are so severe that it could affect humans, too.

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This statement was not uttered by some uneducated anti-technology activist, but rather was written by British physicist Dr. Gerald Hyland and was printed in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet.

A recent issue of the journal published 2 papers on the subject of cell phone safety, as well as an accompanying editorial. The editorial, written by Philip P. Dendy of Cambridge, UK, and entitled "Mobile phones and the illusory pursuit of safety" puts the 'safety' issue into perspective:



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