What are the odds of this being another William Freund?

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DancesWithDemons
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06 Nov 2005, 6:36 pm

I'm weeping over Scribe's post. That is the saddest thing I've ever read.

No Rain by Blind Melon

All I can say is that my life is pretty plain

I like watchin' the puddles gather rain

And all I can do is just pour some tea for two

and speak my point of view

But it's not sane, It's not sane

I just want some one to say to me

I'll always be there when you wake

Ya know I'd like to keep my cheeks dry today

So stay with me and I'll have it made

And I don't understand why I sleep all day

And I start to complain that there's no rain

And all I can do is read a book to stay awake

And it rips my life away, but it's a great escape

escape......escape......escape......

All I can say is that my life is pretty plain

ya don't like my point of view

ya think I'm insane

Its not sane......it's not sane



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06 Nov 2005, 6:50 pm

This is so, so sad. I wish, so much, Will had connected with some of the people here who tried to help him. :cry:



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06 Nov 2005, 8:28 pm

LH wrote:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1704519&highlight=
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... genumber=1
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... id=1715305


Wow that place is just down right scary. Interesting difference in their reaction to the news and the reaction of WP. Got to say reading their forums made me a little sick to my stomach.


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06 Nov 2005, 8:56 pm

This is getting Me more and more depressed everyday. That is all I can say.


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06 Nov 2005, 11:49 pm

Tolerating bullying is a symptom of Asperger's? No, tolerating bullying and related inappropriate behavior is a symptom of being threatened and punished by other students, teachers, and parents for ever fighting back. It is a symptom of conditioned helplessness. The frustration comes from being forced to be "other", so that the bullies have carte blanch and and you have no account or credit. Just how on Earth is someone supposed to "not tolerate" bullying in such a setup? We know what some people have done. Is that the only way?

I suppose that it's just another symptom of some kind of mental deficiency when the chosen victim won't lie about having hit back. He gets into situations where the bully doesn't admit having done anything, so he's the bully because he's the only one who admits hitting anyone.

It is just amazing to watch the fraud that was perpetrated against me become part of the popular medical terminology, not that I have ever been all that optimistic that things would be much better than this. It's pathetic to watch what passes for common wisdom these days.

Did someone actually shoot Freund's father the previous Halloween? That's what his last post on SomethingAwful says. If this is true and can be verified it may be significant. I'm not sure about people who are on the margins of society, but most "normals" take great exception to things like that.



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07 Nov 2005, 1:06 am

I cant believe they called him drunk and ret*d on that pro-amo site, since I get that a lot.

Hey, he even mentioned mythbusters, does that mean that they should be held responsible…?

I think that the meds he took and the pro-ammo and the pro-suicide sites should be held responsible, and the schools and society (the OC) for not giving a damn about him.

WP made me accept myself and the fact that I am autistic and proud of it. I started researching it a year ago, after reading about Josh Heartnett doing the whens-it-coming-out Mozart and the whale movie. In only a few months I went from deep denial, thinking “they mis-diagnosed me”, to becoming totally confident and out-of-my-shell happy about my autistic self and I felt so proud to be a part of such great AS and WP people. It really saved me, and I have found no other site that is this great. These days, I am trying harder, I am refusing to think of myself in terms of “sick”, because we are not.
Researching the net (Norwegian)I just realised that aspies as a group does not exist, because in society they (the parents etc) can just put us into any desired group/label, such as; mentally ill, physically disabled, mentally disabled. But there is a fouth group I guess, if we should even be in the health care category.

I even joined a youth mental health organisation, just to try and do something. Its not really for aspies but its better than nothing… if I could or knew how I would start my own organisation.


maybe we could try and focus on that in the media? how much this place have actually helped thousands of people, help that no other place could give...

by the way:
Did anyone see a BBC documentary about the subject of online intervention when ur a member of a chatroom and another member says they wanna kill themselves? In this docu, there was this English (suicidal) girl who saved this suicidal guy. And also one guy who OD’d online. And they asked questions if the people watching his webcam should be responsible and stuff..



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07 Nov 2005, 1:12 am

The guy who overdosed online was a sad case, the people who saw him on webcam were trying to contact his home but his parents were in the next room and didn't realize what was going on. People still make fun of what happened to him to this day.



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07 Nov 2005, 1:49 am

berta wrote:
I cant believe they called him drunk and ret*d on that pro-amo site, since I get that a lot.

Hey, he even mentioned mythbusters, does that mean that they should be held responsible…?

I think that the meds he took and the pro-ammo and the pro-suicide sites should be held responsible, and the schools and society (the OC) for not giving a dam* about him.


Wait, you seriously think SA deserves blame for this?



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07 Nov 2005, 2:16 am

LH wrote:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1704519&highlight=
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... genumber=1
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showth ... id=1715305

That was a good laugh with the exception of a couple comments about ASDs. :lol:



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07 Nov 2005, 2:28 am

I hope I'm not being rude by repeating myself, but does anyone know if William Freund's father was shot and badly injured the previous Halloween? That is what he said in his last message on SomethingAwful.



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07 Nov 2005, 11:16 am

I haven't heard anything, but I'm guessing it was fabricated as part of his excuse for wanting buckshot.



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07 Nov 2005, 12:16 pm

LH wrote:
I haven't heard anything, but I'm guessing it was fabricated as part of his excuse for wanting buckshot.


We can guess, but I want to know for sure. Unfortunately not all such reports are accessible on Google. Dennis Freund might not even know that his son said that.

The bullying alone makes it understandable. If they are shooting his close relatives also, no reasonable person can expect anything else.



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07 Nov 2005, 1:21 pm

the world is full of burnt out people,
look at you and me, seriously, hell, we listen to the world way to long after we burn out, or we wouldn't be here passed and even looking at our selves, we are sick of being misunderstood and feeling alone, we burn out and look for an escape making what we find our out, to be apart of something, or simply to understand our selves or those we care about and our environment, or to just belong. with who are doing the same are even sometimes more burnt out then we are (or those we care about), we know where we are at (or so we hope to think we are as compared to others), but to relate to the next step before we get there is a major head game to us at times, sometimes,. it helps us all to relate and guide us to where we know we need to go to next as best as we can see as a soul and a people, of what we approve of and what we don't, as one, or as an individual in a world gone wild, to try to relate our needs as a person to another in our lone existence, just for one thing, to be known and loved, or at least cared about or understood, and not forgotten,, to be remembered.



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08 Nov 2005, 11:15 am

RobertN wrote:
That last report was probably the most upsetting of the lot.

True, but it was also the one that showed things how they actually were, i.e. he didn't write coherently, and it was by far not just this site he posted on.



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09 Nov 2005, 2:56 am

I don't believe william's father was shot last halloween or else we (neighbors) would have found out. I strongly believe he made that up, there are no gangs in aliso viejo, aliso viejo is too white and rich to have any gangs.