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23 Feb 2008, 12:03 am

I think a lot of people are losing sight of why the wolf is off the endangered list. Because it no longer qualifies! Why complain about people who will hunt it? The earth is dynamic, not some kind of petting zoo where we save the animals.



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24 Feb 2008, 9:31 am

Endangered or not its not fair for wolves to be hunted. I think to make it fair we should strap shot guns onto their backs and train them to use them. lol



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24 Feb 2008, 9:56 am

Is it fair for wolves to hunt rabbits?


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24 Feb 2008, 12:01 pm

The problem with people, is that they don't do these things right. Grey wolves will very soon find themselves on the endangered list again.

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As for the ranchers...who's invading whose home? Easy prey is easy prey.


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24 Feb 2008, 1:08 pm

Not if hunting is managed properly... the white tail deer is certainly alive and well.... and hunted every year. Same for elk in Northern Michigan. Difference is, thousands hunt deer and only a very few win the drawing to hunt an elk. We now have a viable population of gray wolves in the Upper Peninsula and they're moving slowly back into the Lower Peninsula. Coyotes are all over the place around here, and they're even filmed a wolverine in the last couple of years... Frankly I'd rather have a thousand wolves living near me than one wolverine...


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24 Feb 2008, 5:51 pm

MrMark wrote:
Is it fair for wolves to hunt rabbits?


Yes it is. Because they are animals who need to eat. it's the circle of life. Humans are just killing them to kill them.



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25 Feb 2008, 9:45 pm

Humans are killing them to preserve animals we use for our food supply. Just as humans kill rabbits and other animals that get into our gardens and eat our vegetables. The wolf eats our meat supply, the rabbit eats our fiber/vitamin/flavinoid supply. I see no difference between killing a mouse that eats my food, or a wolf that eats my food. The only reason wolves were endangered in the first place was a misplaced policy of paying bounty on them. That's the same period of time (roughly) that we lost the passenger pigeon. Over hunting isn't likely in this day and age. We've learned more about population management, and more importantly we DO population management. Were there errors in past practices? Absolutely. I don't hunt, I don't own a firearm or a bow, but I have no problem with eating meat and I grew up in farm country. By the time I was 14 I was intimately aware of where meat comes from and had helped in butchering on neighbors farms. My father was a minister who often got rural parishes. Church dinners might have 10 different types of ham, all home cured. All the fried chicken came from someone's henhouse. I eat meat and I wear leather. I'd wear fur if I could afford it. Animals are animals... for that matter so are some people. I have no qualms about sitting down to dinner.


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25 Feb 2008, 11:22 pm

We need to have a balance between wolves and man.


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26 Feb 2008, 5:55 am

If they are going to kill them they better eat them!

People kill and eat rabbits and thats the right thing to do compared to farmed meats the wild rabbits are a better source for food because they get to live free.



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26 Feb 2008, 8:47 am

the only reason you care is because wolves have a good public image. if the truth was out, that they slaughter livestock, other animals, to survive, then you'd think differently.

both animals deserve to live, right? but we want the livestock to live because they're useful, so therefore we kill the wolves. easy.



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26 Feb 2008, 9:22 am

The wolves are killed for greed.. not need.

Wolves kill for need.

Humans slaughter and wolves slaughter but somehow the wolves claim on the cows seen far more natural.



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26 Feb 2008, 10:54 am

If we didn't kill the wolves that eat the livestock, then more wolves would come. We need a zero tolerance kill-on-sight policy to make sure they know their place below us; anything else and they'll take liberties, and then the humans would suffer.



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26 Feb 2008, 11:29 am

bheid wrote:
If we didn't kill the wolves that eat the livestock, then more wolves would come. We need a zero tolerance kill-on-sight policy to make sure they know their place below us; anything else and they'll take liberties, and then the humans would suffer.


To make sure they know their place below us? Take Liberties? Are we talking about wolves here?

A balance is extremely important. Killing too many wolves isn't good, it's bad for ecosystems. Having too many wolves is just as bad.

If there are too many wolves, then some need to be killed. I love wolves, but that's just the way it is. Man has already muddled a bit too much in ecosystems, now it's going to be difficult to keep things in order.

What they should do is open a hunting period, sell hunting licences and revert the money to animal parks and animal welfare.

Ideally.


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26 Feb 2008, 11:34 am

bheid wrote:
the only reason you care is because wolves have a good public image. if the truth was out, that they slaughter livestock, other animals, to survive, then you'd think differently.

both animals deserve to live, right? but we want the livestock to live because they're useful, so therefore we kill the wolves. easy.


Actually, wolves don't have a good public image. Just like snakes. There's a lot of ignorance surrounding them.

Kill off the wolves to extinction? If left to the farmers, that's what would happen. And that's not a good thing.

A responsible fraction of government, who control their numbers in a controlled manner should do it, not rabid, vengeful and especially ignorant farmers.


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26 Feb 2008, 5:07 pm

wolves are not evil creatures like humans ecosystems need to support themselves wolves need to eat


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26 Feb 2008, 9:10 pm

Who says wolves shouldn't eat? There's a couple million white-tail deer in Michigan alone... I wish some wolves WOULD eat the damned things, deer kill a few dozen people every year running into the road. There's all sorts of game out there for wolves to eat. Timber wolves are SMART, once they realize what areas are bad to go into they'll stay away. Coyotes on the other hand, don't care. They're the street gangs of the wild canine world... Coyotes will go anywhere and attack anything, livestock, pets, children. Gray wolf attacks on humans in North America are extremely rare, so rare many believe they have never happened. Maybe I should say I don't have any problem with their being wolf packs in the US. I just think if a farmer's stock is being preyed upon they have the right to defend it. I think wolves are magnificent animals, but they're ANIMALS. I have a very hard time with the attitude a lot of people take that animals take precedence over humans. We are the top of the food chain, period. When another species can smelt metal and learn to communicate with each other well enough to fight us for a piece of land, then I think they deserve that kind of respect. They're animals, not sapients. Hell if you want to rage about the impact of humans on animals, take a stand on gorillas, chimps, bonobos and orangutans. Or the cetaceans. At least they have the possibility of being an intelligent race some day.


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