Why are so many people offended by my signature?

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Just would like to know. I've had people bashing me about it, frankly I can't see anything wrong my statements.

I like your signature. It's nice to see that you're giving those atheists with anti-Christian signatures a taste of their own medicine!

f**k political correctness (an illusion created by the leftists)! When you're allowed to criticize religion, you're allowed to criticize atheism as well.

I don't know, maybe it's the part about atheists having no character. I'm not an atheist, but I find that sort of over-broad characterization to be a turn-off.

Same here. I also am offended by common atheist claims that religious people are all inherently stupid, ignorant, or delusional. If atheists are allowed to be dickheads on internet forums, so is everyone else. Free speech trumps anyone's rights to not be offended.

I agree. I'm not offended easily, but I disagree about the atheisits draining wisdom and having no character because I'm not convinced that it's true. I'm not anti-christian. One of the nicest people I ever met was a catholic priest. But for me the issue has to do with evidence and being convinced that something is really true. Evidence is the very necessary tie that keeps our minds and ideas grounded to reality.

My only real problem with religion is the recognition that ours is a unique time and place, in which religion is MOSTLY benign. It wasn't that long ago that fabricated charges of witchcraft and heresy were used to get people tortured, burned or hanged in Europe and the American colonies, often done as a thinly disguised ruse to confiscate their property. Events at Jonestown and Waco serve to remind us that we must remain vigilant to keep religion benign. It's a slippery slope when people start believing things without evidence.

Interestingly, The Screwtape Letters has a chapter in which it is said, something to the effect that when a demon seeks to sabotage someone's progress toward an important idea, it tries to convince him that the distracting alternative point is fashionable, etc., not to teach him to think about the issue of true and false. If the demon teaches the man to think, then it has lost control over the outcome.

Last edited by sgrannel on 17 May 2008, 3:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well, TBH, as much as I prefer freedom of speech, why offend people in the process? I'm sure we can all freely express our views without offending anyone.

In a perfect world, yes. In this world, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Part of living in peace is accepting that occasionally someone will say something you find offensive.

The fact that Einstein believed in God doesn't bother me, and it gives no support to an argument about it's existence. I believe that what you call "wisdom" is a combination of self-suggestion and acquiescence to false authority. I don't need hope.

sgrannel, your signature is hilarious.

Don't forget the anti-Muslim, anti-Bhuddist atheists.

Frankly most have called me a "f-ing hypocrite, an ignoram(-i)(-us), insensitive and oger-ish, disrespectful, dissillusioned, a bastard, a b***h, a Commie, a leftist and a Marxist and pro-stereotypical nut". Ironically calling me a commie when you say you're an athiest is contradictive since Commie theories go by things such as "God is dead" (directly from Nietschie - who by the way was regarded by the Nazi's as the greatest philosopher there is.)

Why call me all those things? I simply don't know.

I say why am I not allowed to critisize atheism? I mean I can say "no God you say?, Then why atheists can I not blame all the problems of society on you? No morals? No limits to society? And no rules? Why should I be forced to respect your theories if you are going to bash my beliefs. Religion isn't for the weak.

What is TBH? And do you really stand by your statement?

To be honest. Yes, I pretty much stand by my statement. Freedom of speech is fine, just try preventing yourself from creating controversies.

Yes, and if they do, it's right to express our opinion, and kindly ask them to refrain from offending others. Whether they continue or not, it's their choice.

So let's see:

Athiests drain wisdom. Wisdom that gives hope.
That would assume, that religion equals "wisdom". Wrong.
Wisdom that gives hope... and, too bad, nothing else.

Athiests are people who have lost faith & imagination therfore have no character.
That's so stupid. No Comment.

"I believe in Spinoza's God", Einstein
Not exactly wrong, but misleading. There are many statements by Einstein that would make his oppinion much clearer:

'I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. "

"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously"

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

or maybe we repeat your quote in it's full:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

I don't feel offended by your signature. It's just drained of that wisdom that you seem to miss in atheists.

I find atheism to be amusing. Whether they'll admit it or not (and I once counted myself among them in my youth), the impetus to embrace an atheistic philosophy is frequently an active (and angry) rejection of religious faith, on the grounds that "it can't be proven that God exists."

True, but it equally cannot be proven that no God does. And by God, I mean simply an intelligent designer behind the fabric of the universe in which we seem to have found ourselves.

To assume or assert that God does not and cannot exist is every bit as much an act of faith in the unprovable and unknowable as any superstitious religion in the world. Making Atheism the religion-haters-religion There are some things our feeble human brains simply cannot know with any degree of certainty.

Should one choose, I will argue all night against the rationale for believing in the literal existence of Yaweh, or Allah, et al. And I can really piss off a Christian by rubbing their nose in the existence of Gnostic Christianity, the sister philosophy which Pauline Christians very successfully eradicated in the first century (odd, since Paul himself started out as rabidly attempting to destroy Christianity altogether, until...do i smell a conspiracy?). I just looove the uncomfortable squirming that they do when you point out that the Gnostics believed that the so-called God (Archon) of Eden, was a pretender and that the serpent was actually the first incarnation of the Christ spirit on Earth, come to save us from the enslavement in ignorance that the Archon kept Adam in. So expulsion from paradise was actually escape from an evil dictator.

Well, it's all just Zoroastrian heresy, right? I mean the New Testament records Jesus as telling his apostles that he was sharing teachings with them that the masses could not comprehend (teachings now apparently lost), but the Christianity that exists today was created by a man who never even met Jesus, who then established his own version of the sect and eradicated the original. Makes the head spin, don't it? And we haven't even brought up Mary Magdalen yet.

But I'm reformed now. I decided that if people are happy believing whatever they wanna believe, as long as they're not actively suppressing or killing others, who the hell am I to pop their balloon? Let them be happy. If I could inject a substance that could reduce my IQ, allowing me to accept the internal inconsistencies of a religious faith and live my life in ignorant bliss...nah, I still couldn't do it.

I put spinozas god there because it is a neutral statement. Einsteins opinion could have changed so I would stop using those quotes to prove the non-existance of God. What did you think I was implying? I'm detecting a harsh tone...ah well that just may be me...

All in all atheists are really gremlin like, they can critisize your beliefs but none of their own. Seems like angry teenage attitudes to me that have evolved throughout - if you aren't careful - into adulthood. At some point in life I've read atheists begin believing again.

Just my point. He has made many statements about religion. He may have believed in some kind of god like entity (or many). His opinion may have changed over time. And whatever he has said proofs nothing anyway. So I only wanted to complete the picture.


Hmm, you got me there



That's called "dementia"