More senile rantings from Pat Robertson

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I heard on the news the other day that Pat Robertson was being condemed by many for saying that Areil Sharon's stroke was god's revenge for giving parts of Israel back to the palestinians.

Does that suprise you at all?

Actually it doesn't. Another Interesting tidbit about the man. On the grounds of Religion, he is opposed to Gambling, yet he owns quite a few Racing Horses. Jesus $ave$, indeed.

I emailed him that I don't blame him, for he is obviously senile.

Even if God was punishing Sharon for dividing the land, that should be between Sharon and God. Pat Robertson needs to actually read what the Bible says about judging because the punishment for that would not be very desirable.

I view Pat Robertson as a cute little old guy who is sincere and interesting at times and not at others. I thing he is wrong about Sharon but Im not upset nor surprised about. He can think what he wants and if others are dumb enough to believe him thats their business. Maybe he is getting senile.-Bland

It doesnt supprise me a bit I hope he keeps coming up with types of comments so people can see him for want he realy is. I dont know why people still even listen let alone send him money.

Pat Robertson may not think before He opens His mouth. That is for sure His greatest problem is that He truly has a problem and can not see it in the end.

If He could to would go better for Him. His mouth would not get Him in any problem what so ever would it in the end too.

Beautiful!

What an ignorant biggot is he!

THIS JUST IN:

{breaking news}

According to 700 club representattives, Monday, Pat Robertson was actually speaking in tongues and he was mis-interpreted.

Well, personally, I tend to suspect that he's probably correct.
Further, I suspect that he probably is vastly better educated on the subject of religion than any of the people who have posted in this forum.

I note that, according to biographical accounts on the Internet, he has a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree from Yale University Law School and a Master of Divinity degree from New York Theological Seminary. Therefore, the assertion that his religious views are 'ignorant' is entirely laughable.

Perhaps we could stop making Ad Hominem attacks, and either (1) defer to his position on the grounds of his greater education and experience, or (2) explain in a polite, rational manner why you believe he is mistaken.

You would think tah wouldn't you?


But his minions, those who choose not to think for themselves,
Just sit on their sofa, and say, "AMEN"

too many people do not like to think. Rather, some ignorant biggot gets to tell them what to think.

The Sheep.

You know that old saying, If your friends we going to jump off a cliff would you?

Maybe we will get lucky and Pat Robertson will jump off a cliff, his sheep will follow.

I am far more educated on the Bible than he is.
AND you.
It says that God is a loving God
and a forviving god

Also it says that Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, however that was in reference to Judgement day, when all men will be accountable to god for their lives.

It is common belief that god established free will in man. More in his image than other animal.

Also fairly common belief is that due to that free will that God has allowed us to find him. He does not impose his will on us. And that The devil (GW Bush) is really running the show here on earth, thus the continued downward sprialing of human morals.

Do you remember the story of Job.

God was active in the Old testament. Jesus in the new testament. One final attempt to save human souls. The only way.
We have free will to act and do as we please.
God does not give people strokes to teach them a lesson. If god wanted israel to have the entire gaza strip, he would simply cause some sot of pestulance or death to come over the non jews homes.

It is up to you, to show me, where in the bible that god said no body else could live there.And that god will act with vengeance again on earth.

The ball is your now.
I resist the urge to insert an accusatory name.

Wow. More educated than he is -- and more educated than I am (You know this, perhaps, because in your great study of the Holy Scriptures, you've unlocked some mental ability to discern how much is known by people you've never met?). I would be impressed if you were, indeed, 'more educated on the Bible' than he is, given his absolutely stellar education and many years as a pastor. However, since you have no way whatsoever by which to determine how educated *I* am, I have to assume that you're simply raving.

As you've already shown yourself as someone who makes bald assertions concerning things about which you have no personal knowledge, I'm tempted to just quit reading your post here. But, just for giggles, let's keep going....



I agree, Mr. Sharon will be judged on judgment day, just like everyone else. But that's hardly the only time that God will inflict punishment on those who displease him. Onan sinned and was struck down on the spot (Genesis 38:7-9). Nadav and Avihu were devoured by fire (Lev. 10:2). Uzzah was struck dead when he touched the Ark (1 Chr. 13:11). Want something from the New Testament? Zacharias was struck dumb for disbelief (Luke 1). Saul was struck blind (Acts 9:1–9) and, notably, Ananias and Sapphria were struck dead after they lied about how much money they would donate (Acts 5:1-11). God didn't wait until Judgment Day to punish these people.



Well, of course. But just because God gave man the ability to make choices, does not mean that he doesn't care which choice a man makes.



I neither know nor care what the 'common belief' is. But if by this, you mean that God will not punish us on Earth, if we displease him -- then please, use your amazing knowledge of the Bible to square that with what happened to Ananias and his wife Sapphria. I'm not exactly certain how libeling the President makes your argument any stronger, but I'll assume that it's simply too subtle for me to grasp.



Certainly do. It's a personal favorite. I'm particularly fond of the 38th chapter, where God speaks to Job, saying (essentially) "Just who do you think you are, to question what I do with my creation?"



This is all simply poppycock. God the Father didn't Stop being active after the incarnation. For that matter, God the Son was active before the incarnation.

You say that God doesn't give people strokes to teach them a lesson? I suppose you'd similarly say, "Hey, Saul, God didn't blind you to teach you a lesson." Or, "Hey, Zacharias, God doesn't take people's voice away." "Hey, y'all, people mourning over the sudden inexplicable death of Ananias -- I don't know why he died, but it certainly wasn't because God wanted to send us a message."

Thank you for the ball. Thank you, also, for refraining from calling me names - I know that's difficult for you.

As for it being up to me to prove anything... Unfortunately, you're wrong again - it isn't for me to prove that Mr. Robertson is correct. I suspect that he is correct, but I don't know for certain. My purpose is not to show that he is correct, but to show that his assertion is entirely plausible. And since his position is plausible, it falls upon the people who disagree with him to show where he is mistaken.

And so, I fall back to my earlier statement: If you disagree with him, instead of making an Ad Hominum attack, why don't you explain the basis of your disagreement. I recommend you start with the Book of Joel, which Robertson cited. In it, God states that the land is his, and that his enemies will try to divide it.

How long ago were the Jews freed from Egypt, wandered in search of the promised Land?
When was the State of israel established?
How long has it been, that there has been additions to the Bible?



What does it mean to be Jewish?
What does it mean to be an Israelite?
Do People who practice Judaism follow the teachings of the New Testament?

Is Pat Robertson A Christian?
Does he have the right to make assertions of God's intent?
Does God speak directly through Pat Robertson?
Does God speak with his written word and Pat Robertson Interpret that Word?

Allow me to make an interpretation of the written Word, Just like Mr. Robinson.
Jewish People are those that Practice the Religion Of Judaism. Israelites are people which are Citizens of Israel. Most are both, some are just one of those.

People of the Jewish Faith Practice from the teachings of the Old Testament.
They do not believe that Jesus Was the son of God sent here, to die for their sins, so they may enter the kingdom of heaven.
Basically the Old Testament is Creation through thousands of years of Jewish persecution and establishment of a promised land, with a direct line to god. (pre-New Testament).

The Christians (and Mr. Robertson) Follow the teachings of Both The New and the Old Testamennt.
The New Testament is the story of Jesus, the the works of his disciples and Paul, including a vision which is revelations.

The important crux of the Christian Faith is Jesus. And the Faith that your sins are forgiven, because he died for your sins. and it states plainly, "But by me, will you enter the Kingdom of heaven. This is referranced by Jesus stating that you must have Faith in him and that his death was for your eternal life. That is why all new cristians invite him into their heart.

According to these facts (christianity vs. Judaism) Wouldn't it be reasonable to believe (and this is only an interpretation, just like Pat) that The New Testament is important, inas much as the Jewish people were finally abandoned as the chosen people. ( i do not care to get into the history). And by their unwillingness to accept Jesus as the Son (who they are still waiting for) of God, that perhaps God has turned his back on them.

According to Christian faith, Jewish people are going to hell. since they do not accept Jesus.
And Since the Current State of Israel is a compromise after WWII, doled out by other human beings. That this wasn't the intended promised land.

I wonder what authority i have to lay claim to Gods Will, just because i know the scripture. Do i get a right to judge? The opposite is true. Jesus spent time with Tax Collectors, Lepers, and Whores. And he consistently rebuked the Pharasies (the religious leaders) for being judgemental.

Mr. Robertson has no right. His words are divisive and they can only lead to Judging. And that is a right, according to his Faith, reserved for GOD!! !
He is an ignotrant bigot. He has no right, according to his rule book ( the Bible) He is a much larger ego than when he was a young man with good intentions and he has succumed to that ego. He will be Rebuked, at the gates of heaven, for judging Just like the pharasies.


To Job:
Who are you to question what i do with my creation.

To Pat: Who are you to question my intention.

You never addressed The god is Love

your ball...

Pat Robertson maybe highly educated but what does He know in the end.

I think Pat Robertson does not truly Live by the Bible in the end.

Pat Robertson may have many degrees these degrees does not really make him smart in the end.

I might not as being vasty highly educate as He is but in the end I try to live by the Bible more than He does in the end.

You start with lots of weird questions. Some of them are profoundly philosophical (e.g. "What does it mean to be Jewish?"), some of them are historical ("When was the State of [I]srael established?"). None of them are even remotely relevant. Therefore, with the exception of saying: "Yes, Mr. Robertson is a Christian", and "No, that does not mean he speaks for God" I'm going to ignore them. However, as a pastor, he certainly DOES have the right (in fact, he has the duty) to explain what the scriptures mean.

Okay... you got that from interpreting the scriptures? My mom has a really old dictionary, where the cover has long-since fallen off. The end paper shows a picture of an angel -- everyone seeing that dictionary mistakes it for a bible. I'm not disputing what you say (well, perhaps the 'most are both' bit) but that just doesn't sound like biblical interpretation to me. Are you certain you haven't been reading a dictionary, all along?

Then there is a lot of fascinating information (such as, "The Christians (and Mr. Robertson) Follow the teachings of Both The New and the Old Testamennt.") that is interesting reading, is largely true. In fact, I wholeheartedly endorse the following quote:


Even as I endorse that quote, though, and state that it is one of the most important truths in the Universe, I still have no idea what it has to do with whether or not God could possibly be punishing Sharon.



Well, those few facts don't tell the entire story. The Bible very explicitly states that while God has become upset with the Jews, his chosen people, and has divorced himself from them (which is stated in the OLD Testament, in both Hosea and Jeremiah.) However, it is Not reasonable to assume that "the Jewish people were finally abandoned as the chosen people", because in the New Testament is explicitly states otherwise. All of Romans 11 disputes that claim, particularly the first two verses:







I take this to mean that you believe God is incapible to work through human agents?



Oh, that's right. You 'know' the scripture. Better than I do, or Mr. Robertson does. If it seems to anyone that you might actually have only the most superficial of understandings, at the level of someone who regularly attended Sunday school classes (until he was about ten years old) - well, that's just you being on a higher plane than they.



So..... Lemme get this straight.... When he says that Sharon acted contrary to God's will, he was wrong to judge someone. But when you call him an 'ignotrant bigot' [sic] and say that God will Rebuke him, that's not judging, and not wrong??

Isn't calling President Bush the Devil - as you did in your prior post - isn't that 'judging'? I can find you a kettle, if you want to make any comments about its color.

As it happens, I don't believe that we're not allowed to say when someone is doing wrong. For goodness sakes, if someone walks through a street shooting at people, do you think Christians out to stand back and say "Well, it's not for me to say that this is morally wrong...." Of course not.



I didn't know I was supposed to address that.
But okay: Read Hebrews 12:6-10. It starts out, "Whom the Lord loves, he chastizes"

This is fun, but I have to go home now. Anyone else want the ball?