British Hacker using Aspergers as a defence

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31 Aug 2008, 6:24 am

I don't think the English would want to punish him at all. They want to shelter and protect him.



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31 Aug 2008, 9:40 am

slowmutant wrote:
I don't think the English would want to punish him at all. They want to shelter and protect him.


Why do you think that?

I think that in America he could be placed with terrorist criminals and the rumors concerning their treatment are in no way good. Let the punishment fit the crime.

If the usual punishment is 6 weeks in a low security prison, he should get the usual punishment. He shouldn't be taken out of his country, where he broke the law. He was not in America at the time of breaking the law so should be tried by his own countries laws.



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31 Aug 2008, 9:56 am

Technically, this guy trespassed American areas of cyberspace while phsyically he hadn't left Britain. Cyberspace isn't navigated the same way one navigates physical or "meat-space."

So this is indeed a pickle, isn't it?

How could a valid compromise be reached?



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01 Sep 2008, 2:28 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Technically, this guy trespassed American areas of cyberspace while phsyically he hadn't left Britain. Cyberspace isn't navigated the same way one navigates physical or "meat-space."

So this is indeed a pickle, isn't it?

How could a valid compromise be reached?


Perhaps the logical answer would be to punish him virtually, in the US bits of cyberspace.

Although im not sure how this would play out in practical terms - negative ebay feedback? deletion of MMO characters? :? :)



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01 Sep 2008, 2:33 pm

Maybe his computer and equipment should be confiscated by local authorites and his future activities in cyberspace be monitored? Maybe all hackers, if caught with their hand in the till, should be forced to register with the gov't. in lieu of punishment.



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01 Sep 2008, 4:55 pm

:?: Perhaps their own countries laws applied to them in terms of physicial punishment (jail time/community service etc) and your idea applied in cyberspace slowmutant?



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01 Sep 2008, 4:57 pm

People like him who use asperger's as an excuse for his own blatant wrongdoings make me and all other aspies look bad.


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01 Sep 2008, 5:00 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Maybe his computer and equipment should be confiscated by local authorites


I'm pretty sure it was confiscated.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:36 pm

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He was an Englishman, who broke English laws, on English soil, so he should be tried by English law, except he isn't, he is being shipped to a country he is not a citizen of, on whose soil he has never set foot, and being tried under a foreign justice system.

The stink about this case is precisely that he is NOT answering to the same law his peers do.

His action may have been against US law, but he's not a US citizen, and he didn't commit it on US soil. So tough cookies.
It WAS however also against English law, and for that he should be tried, in England, before an English court.

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01 Sep 2008, 6:46 pm

Punishing him virtually would have little effect seeing as how he exists in the physical world and not like Jobe Smith the Lawnmower Man.



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02 Sep 2008, 8:54 am

Regular prison for an ASD might well constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Its also hardly apt.

I am way more concerned about how piss-poor american security is.

Maybe they should think about giving him a job?

Exactly how much jurisdiction should the US have over British citizens? Very little, given the atrocious abuses of the criminal justice system it perpetrates, and the sheer sulking that occured back when Britain had jurisdiction over there.

I think perhaps we should rethink the special relationship as regards military intel. After all, if the french can be excluded from briefings because they are a direct line to Baghdad, then maybe the US should be exluded from briefings in case vital intelligence ends up in the public domain of a seperate sovereign state.

Of course, the fact that America spies on us that means that america itself is in breach of British data protection laws... so y'all best come over here and get to the courthouse...


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08 Sep 2008, 4:39 pm

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Regular prison for an ASD might well constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Its also hardly apt.

I am way more concerned about how piss-poor american security is.

Maybe they should think about giving him a job?

Exactly how much jurisdiction should the US have over British citizens? Very little, given the atrocious abuses of the criminal justice system it perpetrates, and the sheer sulking that occured back when Britain had jurisdiction over there.

I think perhaps we should rethink the special relationship as regards military intel. After all, if the french can be excluded from briefings because they are a direct line to Baghdad, then maybe the US should be exluded from briefings in case vital intelligence ends up in the public domain of a seperate sovereign state.

Of course, the fact that America spies on us that means that america itself is in breach of British data protection laws... so y'all best come over here and get to the courthouse...


Have you totally lost track of what this thread is about? :roll: It's becoming more about bashing America and less about the actual computer crime. Keep on this way and people will forget about the hacker altogether. There was a hacker, right? From Britian, yes?



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08 Sep 2008, 9:11 pm

There is a hacker, hes British, and he cracked wide open sensitive military systems.Subsequently American Military Networks are quite obviously compromised. Thus we as a a nation need to be very careful what sensitive information we share with this compromised security risk. If Joe Bloggs from Chipping Sodbury can do it, then anyone can.

As for shipping people over to the states to be tried... we are a Sovereign nation, with our own laws governing these areas and practices. If and when a crime has been committed by a British citizen on British soil, he should at least retain the right to be tried in his own nation, by a jury of his peers if need be.

Apparently our laws aren't good enough for Uncle Sam though.

On the subject of his ASD... in some cases autism is not just an excuse, but an actual defense. Maybe not in this case, but it should be taken into account when looking at potential punishments. The British prison system is hardly the most autistic-friendly place in the world, so comparatively the American prison system is liable to be a death sentence..


I'm not flaming America here... I'm just saying that as a nation state they should probably stop throwing their weight about and start looking at the crux of problems.. in this case, utterly piss poor internet security.


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08 Sep 2008, 9:23 pm

Bah!



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10 Sep 2008, 6:33 pm

while the security was down al- queda could've looked at military plans



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10 Sep 2008, 6:41 pm

aj2500 wrote:
while the security was down al- queda could've looked at military plans


And that's why Uncle Sam would like to collar this clown.