Why arethe Israelis allowed to get away with such injustice?

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This is very disturbing...

Link: FOOTAGE OF ISRAELIS ATTACKING PALESTINIANS

They seem to shoot Palestinians this report says. But the thing that disturbs me is the lack of justice involved in aiding the Middle East peace process.

The Israelis claim that the Bible says it is "their" land. But that is total nonsense. You can't base that on a 2000 year old book. Does that give them the right to kill Palestinians? Why are such religious fanatics allowed to get away with murder?

Clearly if the Israelis are always invading and stealing Palestinian land and building NEW settlements why does this let them get away with murder?

I mean aren't the Israelis hypocrites? After World War 2 did they not learn anything from the murders of Hitler or the pogroms of Russia? It seems very disturbing that they are using the God excuse to get their own ways. It's like they are insulting the memory of their people.

It makes you think, who are the real terrorists?

This fight has been going on since the time of Abraham and its been very bloody, think of it as a enormous family fight. Jews and muslims come from the same faimly however jews have been around much longer so I think they do have a legitimate claim on that land and more.

I would like to point out that the Arabs allied themselves with Nazi Germany in fact they set up concentration camps in the middle east. Neither side is free of crimes but I will be sticking with Israel because one they are the calmest and two god said that if you help Israel then you shall receive blessings.

however jews have been around much longer so I think they do have a legitimate claim on that land and more.

Everyone is. Everyone who committs acts of terrorism is a terrorist, regardless of motivation. If you rape someone, you're a rapist. If you steal, you're a thief.

I wouldn't lie in my posts if I were you. hose claims you make are false. The Arabs did not "side with the Nazis" The Arab states were a part of the British Empire. Where do you get your information from?

"calmest"? did you even watch that video? Please when you are ready from a proper debate get facts straight. And what blessings? You'd allow millions to suffer just because "God" let's you and supposedly said he'll give you blessings? Where is the justice in that if millions are deprived?

I wouldn't lie in my posts if I were you. hose claims you make are false. The Arabs did not "side with the Nazis" The Arab states were a part of the British Empire. Where do you get your information from?

"calmest"? did you even watch that video? Please when you are ready from a proper debate get facts straight. And what blessings? You'd allow millions to suffer just because "God" let's you and supposedly said he'll give you blessings? Where is the justice in that if millions are deprived?

Ties with the Axis Powers during World War II

Pre-war

In 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the German Consul-General in Palestine, the pro-Zionist Heinrich Wolff[94], sent a telegram to Berlin reporting al-Husayni's belief that Palestinian Muslims were enthusiastic about the new regime and looked forward to the spread of Fascism throughout the region. Wolff met Al-Husayni and many sheiks again, a month later, at Nabi Musa. They expressed their approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked Wolff not to send any Jews to Palestine.[95]. Wolff subsequently wrote in his annual report for that year that the Arabs' political naïvity led them to fail to recognize the link between German Jewish policy and their problems in Palestine, and that their enthusiasm for Nazi Germany was devoid of any real understanding of the phenomenon.[96]. The various proposals by Palestinian notables like al-Husayni were rejected consistently over the years out of concern to avoid disrupting Anglo-German relations, in line with Germany's policy of not imperilling their economic and cultural interests in the region by a change in their policy of neutrality, and respect for English interests. Hitler's Englandpolitik essentially precluded significant assistance to Arab leaders [97]. Italy also made the nature of its assistance to the Palestinians contingent on the outcome of its own negotiations with England, and cut off aid when it appeared that the English were ready to admit the failure of their pro-Zionist policy in Palestine.[98]. AL-Husayni's great adversary, Ze'ev Jabotinsky had at the same time cut off Irgun ties with Italy after the passage of antisemitic racial legislation.

Though Italy did offer substantial aid, some German assistance also trickled through. After asking the new German Consul-General, Hans Döhle on the 21 July 1937 for support, the Abwehr briefly made an exception to its policy and gave some limited aid. But this was aimed to exert pressure on England over Czechoslovakia. Promised arms shipments never eventuated[99] This was not the only diplomatic front on which Al-Husayni was active. A month after his visit to Döhle, he met with the American Consul George Wadsworth (August 1937), to whom he professed his belief that America was remote from imperialist ambitions and therefore able to understand that Zionism 'represented a hostile and imperialist aggression directed against an inhabited country’. In a further interview with Wadsworth on Aug 31, he expressed his fears that Jewish influence in the United States might persuade the country to side with Zionists.[100]. In the same period he courted the French government by expressing a willingness to assist them in the region[101].
Though in the ensuing war, the Mufti was strongly pro-Axis, this did not reflect the position of the entire Palestinian leadership. Al-Husayni's cousin Jemal, for example, was in favour of cutting a deal with Britain for Palestine.[102]

In May 1940, the British Foreign Office declined a proposal from the chairman of the Vaad Leumi (Jewish National Council in Palestine) that they assassinate al-Husayni, but in November of that year Winston Churchill approved such a plan. In May 1941, several members of the Irgun, (a break-off faction of which, Lehi, was at the time feeling out the Nazis in Beirut about a possible collaboration between the Jewish underground and Germany to throw the British out of Palestine), including its former leader David Raziel were released from prison and flown to Iraq on a secret mission which, according to British sources, included a plan to 'capture or kill' the Mufti. The Irgun version is that they were approached by the British for a sabotage mission and added a plan to capture the Mufti as a condition of their cooperation. The mission was abandoned when Raziel was killed by a German plane.[103]

In the Middle East

In April 1941 the Golden Square pro-Nazi Iraqi army officers, led by General Rashid Ali, forced the Iraqi Prime Minister, the pro-British Nuri Said Pasha, to resign. From his base in Iraq, al-Husayni issued a fatwa for a holy war against Britain a month later, in May.[104] Forty days later, British troops occupied the country, and al-Husayni fled to Iran where he was granted legation asylum first by Japan and then by Italy. On October 8, after the occupation of Iran by Britain and the Soviet Union and the severance of diplomatic relations with the Axis powers, al-Husayni fled to Italy with the Italian diplomats who provided him with an Italian service passport. To avoid recognition, al-Husayni changed his appearance by shaving his beard and dying his hair.[105]

Throughout the war, al-Husayni repeatedly made requests in Berlin to 'the German government to bomb Tel Aviv.'[106]

In Nazi-occupied Europe

Al-Husayni arrived in Rome on October 11, 1941 and immediately contacted Italian military intelligence. The mufti claimed to be head of a secret Arab nationalist organization with offices in all Arab countries. On condition that the Axis powers "recognize in principle the unity, independence, and sovereignty, of an Arab state of a Fascist nature[citation needed], including Iraq, Syria, Palestine, and Transjordan", he offered support in the war against Britain and stated his willingness to discuss the issues of "the Holy Places, Lebanon, the Suez canal, and Aqaba". The Italian foreign ministry approved the mufti's proposal, recommending to give him a grant of one million lire, and referred him to Benito Mussolini, who met al-Husayni on October 27. According to the mufti's account, the meeting went amicably with the Italian leader expressing his hostility to the Jews and Zionism.[107]

Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Hussayni submitted to the German government[108] a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:

Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.[109]

Now, encouraged by his meeting with the Italian leader, al-Husayni prepared a draft declaration, affirming the Axis support for the Arabs on November 3. In three days, the declaration, slightly amended by the Italian foreign ministry, received the formal approval of Mussolini and was forwarded to the German embassy in Rome. On November 6, al-Husayni arrived in Berlin, where he discussed the text of his declaration with Ernst von Weizsäcker and other German officials. In the final draft, which differed only marginally from al-Husayni's original proposal, the Axis powers declared their readiness to approve the elimination (Beseitigung) of the Jewish National Home in Palestine.[110]

On November 20, al-Husayni met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop[111] and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28.[112] He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland".[109] Hitler refused to make such a public announcement, saying that it would strengthen the Gaullists against the Vichy France,[112] but asked al-Husayni to 'to lock . . .deep in his heart' the following points, which Browning summarizes as follows, that

‘Germany has resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time, direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well'. When Germany had defeated Russia and broken through the Caucasus into the Middle East, it would have no further imperial goals of its own and would support Arab liberation. . . But Hitler did have one goal. Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. (Das deutsche Ziel würde dann lediglich die Vernichtung des im arabischen Raum unter der Protektion der britischen Macht lebenden Judentums sein). In short, Jews were not simply to be driven out of the German sphere but would be hunted down and destroyed even beyond it,.’[113]

This conversation took place two months before the Wannsee Conference settled on the Final Solution and the systematic annihilation of the European Jews. The Mufti's own diary, seized after the war[114], and his later recollections[115]recall the encounter in slightly different terms.

The Holocaust

The Mufti was in Berlin during the war, but later denied knowing of the Holocaust. One of Adolf Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated after the war that he had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe” by the Third Reich. This testimony was denied by Eichmann at his 1961 trial in Jerusalem. Eichmann stated that he had only been introduced to the Mufti during an official reception, along with all other department heads. In the final judgement, the Jerusalem court stated: "In the light of this partial admission by the Accused, we accept as correct Wisliceny's statement about this conversation between the Mufti and the Accused. In our view it is not important whether this conversation took place in the Accused's office or elsewhere. On the other hand, we cannot determine decisive findings with regard to the Accused on the basis of the notes appearing in the Mufti's diary which were submitted to us."[116].[117]

Hannah Arendt, who attended the complete Eichmann trial, concluded in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil that, "The trial revealed only that all rumours about Eichmann's connection with Haj Amin el Husseini, the former Mufti of Jerusalem, were unfounded."[118] Rafael Medoff concludes that "actually there is no evidence that the Mufti's presence was a factor at all; the Wisliceny hearsay is not merely uncorroborated, but conflicts with everything else that is known about the origins of the Final Solution."[119] Bernard Lewis also called Wisliceny's testimony into doubt: "There is no independent documentary confirmation of Wisliceny's statements, and it seems unlikely that the Nazis needed any such additional encouragement from the outside."[120]

Some recent research, however, apparently argues that al-Husayni did work with Eichmann for the dispatch of a special corps of Einsatz commandos to exterminate the Jews in Palestine, if Rommel managed to break through the British lines in Egypt.[121] Husayni did intervene on May 13, 1943, with the German Foreign Office to block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania, after reports reached him that 4000 Jewish children accompanied by 500 adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign Minister "to do his utmost" to block all such proposals and this request was complied with.[122]. A year later, on the 25th July, 1944, he wrote to the Hungarian foreign minister to register his objection to the release of certificates for 900 Jewish children and 100 adults for transfer from Hungary, fearing they might end up in Palestine. He suggested that if such transfers of population were deemed necessary, then:-

"it would be indispensable and infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, as for example Poland, thus avoiding danger and preventing damage."[123]

Among the acts of sabotage al-Husayni attempted to implement, Michael Bar Zohar reports a chemical warfare assault on the second largest and predominantly Jewish city in Palestine, Tel Aviv. According to him, five parachutists were sent with a toxin to dump into the water system. The police caught the infiltrators in a cave near Jericho, and according to Jericho district police commander Fayiz Bey Idrissi, "The laboratory report stated that each container held enough poison to kill 25,000 people, and there were at least ten containers." [2].

He is also said to have requested that Jerusalem be bombed by the German air force, a request that puts doubts on his religiosity, since, in Walter Laqueur's words, "It is unlikely that a truly pious Muslim would have acted this way." [124]

In his memoirs after the war, Husayni noted that

"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours'."[125]
Wolfgang G. Schwanitz notes that in his memoirs Husayni recalled that Heinrich Himmler, in the summer of 1943, while confiding some German war secrets, inveighed against Jewish "war guilt", and, speaking of Germany’s persecution of the Jews said that "up to now we have exterminated (in Arabic, abadna) around three million of them". In his memoirs, Husayni wrote he was astonished to hear this. Schwanitz doubts the sincerity of his surprise since, he argues, Husayni had publicly declared that Muslims should follow the example Germans set for a "definitive solution to the Jewish problem".[126].

In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the town of Arbe in Croatia collapsed due to the objection of the Mufti who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine.[127]

Recent Nazi documents uncovered in the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Military Archive Service in Freiburg [3] by two researchers, Klaus Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers indicated that in the event of the British being defeated in Egypt by Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps the Nazis had planned to deploy a special unit called Einsatzkommando Ägypten to exterminate Palestinian Jews and that they wanted Arab support to prevent the emergence of a Jewish state. In their book the researchers concluded that, "the most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem.'[128]

The Jews have been around much longer than the Muslims, Islam was born around the year 700 AD. The Muslims have stolen the Jew's land ...

Again, on those grounds the Poles should give back the land they got from Germany, the Czechs should give back the Sudetenland, the Russians the big chunk of Poland they got, the Swiss Ticino to Italy, the Americans the entire Southwest to Mexico, Guam to Spain and a part of Alaska to Canada, Thailand's neighbours the lands that used to be Thai, Chile hand back their northern bit to Bolivia, Mexico hand over Chiapas to Guatemala...
There really have to be time limits to these things, there is no border in the world you could not dispute if you go back far enough, in many cases a few decades are enough. Not to do so is to Balkanise the place.

Well hun taking land by force is wrong no matter what, the fact the Jews want their land back is reason enough for them to get it back.

So all the other cases I mentioned should, also hand back the land? How can it be 'yours' if you've never even set foot on the place, nor your parents (applies both to Jews and to the descendants of Palestinians born elsewhere)? Can I claim some land in Spain because some of my ancestors (never met them) were Spanish, even though I have never been to Spain? Are there any borders in the world at all that don't represent someone taking land by force at some point in history (and the previous borders as well and the ones before that as well...)? And I'm sure before the Jews there must have been some Stone Age tribe there whose descendants would have even older claims, and probably some older tribe before that (probably the entire Middle East descends from the earliest prehistoric occupants)...
I'm not saying anything about the land Zionists bought pre-independence, obviously if you took the money you forfeit all claims. My view is that the Palestinians that left had their property stolen, and are (or their descendants) entitled to compensation, but not to a 'right of return', especially not those 'Palestinians' that have been in Lebanon and elsewhere for generations.