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15 Oct 2008, 9:21 am

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Nuns are creepy. They think they are married to a two thousand year old dead guy...
Anybody who lives in a commune aeperate from the real world is, to me, even more unpredictable than anybody else. As evidenced by their actions, no less!


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Yeah, 'cause you're an objective observer...
You'd tickle the popes balls if he asked you to; so of course, by your view, nuns can do no wrong!
Ah, what utter nunsense!


Tickling the Pope's balls is not high on my To Do list. You've got some mouth on you, boy. :o

Since they are ultimately human, nuns can still do plenty of wrong. But given their lifestyle and the principles to which they've dedicated their lives, they're less likely to do wrong that the average Joe Sixpack or Jane Winebox. Clearly you have a personal vendetta against the church.



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15 Oct 2008, 10:04 am

Slowmutant; read a book. A ...recent... book.
The god delusion is pretty good, "boy".
Or, origin of species. Nothing new to me, but you could learn a thing or to.
Of course I have something against churches - peddling falsehood as fact.

But that is another topic entirely, and does not preclude the fact that two women, regardless of their firm desire to jump the bones of a dead Jew nailed to some timber, broke into a missile silo!! ! That is not reasonable behaviour!


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15 Oct 2008, 3:24 pm

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If you were living in Germany when the Jews were in the concentration camps and millions of people were being slaughtered for the Fatherland,
would you have done anything?

Answer the question Charlie Sheen.


Oh man... =( Is it too late to call Godwin's Law on this one? Dang.



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15 Oct 2008, 3:24 pm

What is so hard to get about this?

The statement these nuns made was, "Look, we broke into a nuclear power plant without any weapons. If you are so worried about terrorism, then properly take care of real potential threats."


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15 Oct 2008, 5:01 pm

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What is so hard to get about this?

The statement these nuns made was, "Look, we broke into a nuclear power plant without any weapons. If you are so worried about terrorism, then properly take care of real potential threats."


Exactly I think the reason they put them on the watch list is because these two nuns embarrassed the US government and they wanted revenge. They did trespass however they had not intent of killing anyone, they didn't break anything, they didn't sell info to the Russians I mean all they really got them on is trespassing. These women are heros in my eyes and should be treated as such, because they have opened at least some eyes at just how bad things are getting and how the government is trying to devour our freedoms.


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15 Oct 2008, 10:56 pm

There are lots of unmanned sites, the empty and the fake, keep them guessing which are manned and armed. They all look alike on purpose.

They were up to something, and that is why they made a list.

It is true that a good number of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job, planes change course, stop replying, and it was quickly known. Somehow no one knew where they were? We have radar, AWAC's, and keep track of the Russians who still fly down the East Coast.

We were supposed to have defenses against everything, but no one told the Police and Fire Fighters about the second plane? No one told the Pentagon workers at their desks?

After the first, the skies of New York should have been filled with fighters, the rest hunted down, but no one did anything?

And after, it seemed they had the tear up the Constitution secret laws waiting, they just needed a reason.

Either way, it was done with government permission, or they are as dumb as they sound, either way, we need to get rid of them.

The reason seems to be, Bush would have lost, been a single term and gone, but it got him a second term.

I can imagine the conversation, Boss, the only thing that could get you relected would be Pearl Harbor.

At the time we were over stocked with military might, so defense weapons markets were way down.

Saddam was not hiring Americans to drill his oil, they wanted the job, and got it.

We have never put troops in the field like we have for the last five years. It is abuse of the troops. Also their families, children.

I am just one of millions that hold these views. For the love of money and power, those who have it will rob and kill for more.

I can hope for a trial, after some waterboarding at Gitmo, and finding out who did what, and sending them off to life of hard labor rebuilding Iraq.

I am still against anyone going in a missle silo, the large liquid fuled leak, and it could lead to a very ugly explosion. The bombs will not go off, but they could be blown to dust, and that stuff spreads and hangs around.

It is the same as going in a nuclear power plant and closing valves, Chernoble.

That is not a protest, that is a threat.

One of the reasons I think an inside job, for Three Mile Island is a target, not an office building. The huge LPG tankers dock at Manhatten, hit one of them and take a large part of the city out.

The targets chosen were about the Honor of the US, symbols, not places that would do real damage.

New Groton Connecticut, home of the Boomers, that would be a mess.

So the nuns are playing the same game as the people I think should be taken to an undisclosed location for extended questioning. Their game has always been obey us or you could have an accident, and we will blame it on the Devil.

Considering the outcome, I think there were forces in The World Trade Towers that were preventing the looting of the Banks and Brokerage Houses, and someone got rid of them, and blamed it on the Saudis.

It was an all Saudi Martyr operation. Oil was $13, some people made a lot of money.

Christian Terrorists, Roman Agents, and local Trailer Born Again, or Our Lady of the Oil, they are all Terrorists. They all sell fear.

The Pope has his minions out looking to steal The Vatican Bomb, the Holy Terror.

The Pope said the Jews have bombs, there are Islamic bombs, and His Holynesss wants at least one for his God.

Sure, they all gave up sex for real estate and tax exemptions, because of Love. They want to share the love but keep the real estate.

It is just another corporation.

We need camps to concentrate these terrorists, and those people who keep calling to get me to change my phone service.

We need a flat tax on all assets, that will screw the rich and religious who have been getting a free ride.

We The People own the oil in the ground!

The Government are thieves!

All Priests and Nuns are citizens of the Vatican State, aliens who should be deported.

Telemarketers should be shot! Those who use computers to telemarket should be shot twice.

Would you really mind if a few million annoying people just vanished?

Everyone dies, it is just a matter of timing.

"He who thinks he can rule without sheding blood is a fool" Nicolo Machivelli, who taught Rome.

Saint Francis of Assisi said that to spread the faith would take torture and murder, he was the father of the Inqusition.

Same people, now looking for an Atomic whip.

The signs say, "Tresspassers will be shot", someone did not do their job.



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15 Oct 2008, 11:48 pm

Godwin's law? Brainwashed fools don't question or think for themselves if it appears to look uncool or get them in trouble. Genocide is genocide.
Look at all the health problems the Afghanistan people have now. Their culture has been destroyed. They have to hide their ancient artifacts to preserve what culture they did have. Babies are being born with severe abnormalities. The old and young are dying of cancer and other diseases.
Their water and soil have been tainted with depleted uranium for many years to come.

I asked a poignant question which cuts to the core of this "debate" but nobody wants to touch it. Think for yourself for a change.


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15 Oct 2008, 11:59 pm

Uh... Magnus, you are aware I'm not an American, right?
The SAS are in Afghanistan. My government readily provides more information on the conflict to the public than yours. I have to tell you; what you are claiming is exaggerations and fabrications. Children with deformities are being born, yes - but long before the UN forces arrived. That's a result of the constant inter-religion/ethnicity warfare.
None of the forces in Afghanistan use uranium based weaponry. Matter of fact, they are using the wrong types of weapons. 5.56mm rounds don't have enough stopping power to be effective against fanatics drugged up to feel no pain.


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16 Oct 2008, 11:15 am

You are one war late, the Russians did use chemical warfare.

We did arm and train the people we are now fighting, we told them a Free Afganistan, what ever would get them to die killing Russians, and in their view a Free Afganistan means returning to tribal wars, like the good old days, before various invasions.

Osama is one of ours. Ollie North knew him. That was Reagan who sold Contra coke, Afgani opium, and with Israel traded guns for hostages with Iran. Oil was cheap, they had to do some off the books deals to make money.

In Afganistan the best choice of a wife is your brother's daughter. Not much marriage outside the immediate family.

That leads to lots of birth defects, early death, but it is said if they live to be five, nothing but a bullet will kill them.

They have fought all the best armies since Alexander the Great, and beat them. The British Empire lost there twice, the might of the USSR lost, and Nato is just more outsiders to kill for weapons.

Afgani's win because they never quit. War is their natural state, and rich outsiders make good looting.

NATO has some control in Kabul, a few bases, and the rest is Afgan controlled, just a mile away, and always watching.

None of these people attacked America, most could not find it on a map. They are fighting for their land, family, language, culture, just as they always have.

They will never stop.

The conditions described in Afganistan were the same that Alexander the Great saw, nothing has changed, but outsiders bringing them better weapons.

Their view is the British are back for a third time, first they hold them in check, and when they start to withdraw, is when the war starts.

The only thing that unites Afganistan is an invader, they all hate you.

The carpet raised European Socialists are going to teach them about Freedom?



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16 Oct 2008, 2:28 pm

You realize that is a rather feux cultural view?
The "ethnic excuse" simply does not hold water; ask an afghani about their world involvment prior to this centuries troubles, or their opinion of the Taliban. The afghanis have a military, al Qaeda caused much trouble for the afghani government, they know the principles of nation.
Could somebody please try, oh, I dunno, *talking* to somebody involved before making blanket assumptions about intent or culture?

Fine, the basics;

Nations with weak governments, high resources, inter-cultural/idealogical/ethnic/religious or tribal warfare, in a region well known for border-spilling escalating conflicts.
An idealogical component of overall population of several nations, this idealogical body not recognizing national bounds, escalates conflict by drawing extra-regional attention.
In one nation, a hostile, non-cooperative government refuses to deal with or allow third parties to deal with idealogical component, which has gained momentum over "victory".
Target of extra-regional escalation has anxious and angered population, concerns over escalation towards themselves or threatening regional security.

Reasonable so far. But;

Extra-regional target, with growing concerns over supply security in critical region and displeased home population, engages with support of local government, idealogical forces in one nation. Continued political resistance from other nation leads extra-regional nation to a foolish decision; trumping the world government it had been a major part in setting up, instigating spurious claims against uncooperative nation, those claims once having been a real threat, and illegally invades.

It's not deliberate evil so much as a very stupid decision, with which simply complying with the slogan "bring our troops home", would be detrimental and leave a power vacuum further threatening regional security.

So there. No, it's not a conspiracy... don't be ridiculous, folks.
It was just a bad decision.


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16 Oct 2008, 2:31 pm

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Uh... Magnus, you are aware I'm not an American, right?
The SAS are in Afghanistan. My government readily provides more information on the conflict to the public than yours. I have to tell you; what you are claiming is exaggerations and fabrications. Children with deformities are being born, yes - but long before the UN forces arrived. That's a result of the constant inter-religion/ethnicity warfare.
None of the forces in Afghanistan use uranium based weaponry. Matter of fact, they are using the wrong types of weapons. 5.56mm rounds don't have enough stopping power to be effective against fanatics drugged up to feel no pain.


What are these fanatisc drugged up with? You'd think drugs would be against their religion.



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16 Oct 2008, 2:46 pm

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Uh... Magnus, you are aware I'm not an American, right?
The SAS are in Afghanistan. My government readily provides more information on the conflict to the public than yours. I have to tell you; what you are claiming is exaggerations and fabrications. Children with deformities are being born, yes - but long before the UN forces arrived. That's a result of the constant inter-religion/ethnicity warfare.
None of the forces in Afghanistan use uranium based weaponry. Matter of fact, they are using the wrong types of weapons. 5.56mm rounds don't have enough stopping power to be effective against fanatics drugged up to feel no pain.


What are these fanatisc drugged up with? You'd think drugs would be against their religion.


Painkillers, anaesthetic. Anything that numbs without paralyzing. They also cover themselves in bandages and tourniquets before a fight. They fight with the goal of dying and killing as many soldiers as possible.


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16 Oct 2008, 2:50 pm

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Uh... Magnus, you are aware I'm not an American, right?
The SAS are in Afghanistan. My government readily provides more information on the conflict to the public than yours. I have to tell you; what you are claiming is exaggerations and fabrications. Children with deformities are being born, yes - but long before the UN forces arrived. That's a result of the constant inter-religion/ethnicity warfare.
None of the forces in Afghanistan use uranium based weaponry. Matter of fact, they are using the wrong types of weapons. 5.56mm rounds don't have enough stopping power to be effective against fanatics drugged up to feel no pain.


What are these fanatisc drugged up with? You'd think drugs would be against their religion.


Painkillers, anaesthetic. Anything that numbs without paralyzing. They also cover themselves in bandages and tourniquets before a fight. They fight with the goal of dying and killing as many soldiers as possible.


That doesn't sound like a good idea. I think Muslims are really against taking drugs, but I'l defer to you since you obviously know what you're talking about.



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16 Oct 2008, 3:04 pm

Remember, these aren't properly Muslims. These terrorists hold a view that repulsed true Muslims.


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16 Oct 2008, 3:07 pm

Right. But couldn't you they that's just argument ad populum?



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17 Oct 2008, 7:39 am

Canadian Intelligence and Security Agency defines "domestic terrorism (which includes the threat or the use of violence by groups advocating for issues such as the environment, anti-abortion, animal rights, anti-globalization, and white supremacy, and the dissemination of militia messages by groups in the United States); and secessionist violence."

Yes, and there are many many opium addicts in Afghanistan. You just need to do some research.