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02 Oct 2010, 10:18 am

So remember the Mavi Marmara incident from earlier this year?

The UN did it's investigation about Israel's assault on the humanitarian ships on May 31 and concluded that five of the deaths involved, including that of a US Citizen were executions.

http://www.truth-out.org/un-fact-findin ... dogan63609

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hr ... .21_en.pdf

Obama administration? No comment.

DOJ interest in investigating further? Conclusions are unbalanced and we'll ignore it.

Israel try to disprove these findings? Won't release the video evidence collected, nor name or allow interviews of the soldiers involved. No innocence to prove here.

Mainstream media reporting? Zip.

Just imagine what the outrage would have been if those American hikers that Iran detained for crossing their border were executed. Think we'd just ignore that? :roll:


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02 Oct 2010, 10:29 am

Rachel Corrie was also American. Israel does not discriminate in its aggressive miltary actions. If there were Jews living among Palestinian terrorists, they too will not be outside the bounds of the danger of Israeli artillery fire.



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02 Oct 2010, 10:32 am

Watch the following documentary, and you will realise that both innocent Americans and British, have died because they care for the Palestinians. This is not new. If any other country in the world had executed the attack on Gaza in 2008, there would have been an outcry. UN schools were targeted and the use of white phosphorus is banned, and yet no one has been taken to task. This will continue until, the US stops it support. Which won't happen, so these type of things will continue...

http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2010/03/05/dispatches-the-killing-zone/



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02 Oct 2010, 11:50 am

Zara wrote:
So remember the Mavi Marmara incident from earlier this year?

The UN did it's investigation about Israel's assault on the humanitarian ships on May 31 and concluded that five of the deaths involved, including that of a US Citizen were executions.

http://www.truth-out.org/un-fact-findin ... dogan63609

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hr ... .21_en.pdf

Obama administration? No comment.

DOJ interest in investigating further? Conclusions are unbalanced and we'll ignore it.

Israel try to disprove these findings? Won't release the video evidence collected, nor name or allow interviews of the soldiers involved. No innocence to prove here.

Mainstream media reporting? Zip.

Just imagine what the outrage would have been if those American hikers that Iran detained for crossing their border were executed. Think we'd just ignore that? :roll:


With Barak in the driver's seat there would have been huffing and puffing but no blowing the house down.

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02 Oct 2010, 1:27 pm

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With Barak in the driver's seat there would have been huffing and puffing but no blowing the house down.


Name one recent president that would take action against Israel as a result of this.



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02 Oct 2010, 2:03 pm

Personally I feel more bothered by the lack of response from the Obama administration over this. At least acknowledge it, condemn it, show "concern" or whatever...
It's like the UN is waving a red flag here. Even if you don't agree with the UN, shouldn't it be worth the state's department's effort to look into?


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02 Oct 2010, 11:33 pm

Obama has reaffirmed the Bush idea that America can kill anyone, anywhere, at any time.

So you drop a big bomb on the house of a terrorist "suspect". Too bad if it kills everyone on the block.

If you "suspect" someone (including American citizens) it is ok to kill them or kidnap them and fly them to a torture camp in another country.

So if that is ok then it would be churlish of Obama to complain just because Israel kills one or two Americans. :roll:



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03 Oct 2010, 10:07 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
Watch the following documentary, and you will realise that both innocent Americans and British, have died because they care for the Palestinians. This is not new. If any other country in the world had executed the attack on Gaza in 2008, there would have been an outcry. UN schools were targeted and the use of white phosphorus is banned, and yet no one has been taken to task. This will continue until, the US stops it support. Which won't happen, so these type of things will continue...

http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/2010/03/05/dispatches-the-killing-zone/


There was an outcry! Weren't you paying attention? An international outcry, when, in addition to legitimate protest abhorring bloodshed, people vandalized synagogues and waved signs saying, "Pastor Niomoller said they came for the Jews and we did nothing ! if they come again Well point the murderers out!" [many sics].

Earlier this year a Thai farm worker in Israel was killed by a Hamas rocket. Where was the outcry then? Where's the outcry about the Hamas wanting to impose Sharia law? Where's the outcry about the continued firing of Qassams at Sderot? Where is the outcry over Gilad Shalit?

I'm not asking anyone to stop criticizing Israel when it deserves it. I just don't think it's fair to hold Israel to a higher standard to the Palestinians, and say that if Israel kidnaps or kills someone, it's terrible and a war crime, but if the Palestinians (or Hezbollah) kidnap or kill someone, it's alright.



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04 Oct 2010, 1:26 pm

Kenani wrote:

I'm not asking anyone to stop criticizing Israel when it deserves it. I just don't think it's fair to hold Israel to a higher standard to the Palestinians, and say that if Israel kidnaps or kills someone, it's terrible and a war crime, but if the Palestinians (or Hezbollah) kidnap or kill someone, it's alright.


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05 Oct 2010, 12:25 am

Why is it things like these usually don't get much media attention? Or has it and I haven't noticed?


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23 Oct 2010, 6:04 am

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For the anti-Semites, the Jew is always to blame. If an anti-Semite's picnic is ruined by ants, they are Jewish ants.
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Similarly, if an Israeli anything is ruined by anything, certain segments of the Jewish population will declare it an act of antisemitism and whine about it interminably.

(Please take careful note of the qualifier in that sentence.)



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23 Oct 2010, 6:35 am

Zara wrote:
So remember the Mavi Marmara incident from earlier this year?

The UN did it's investigation about Israel's assault on the humanitarian ships on May 31 and concluded that five of the deaths involved, including that of a US Citizen were executions.



you mean blockade runners. These ships were delivering weapons to Hamas. The Israelis were within their rights to keep such weapons out of Gaza.

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23 Oct 2010, 10:58 pm

in 1968. the Israelis made a serious attempt to sink an American ship (the Liberty), returning 3 times to try to deep six her. Nothing was said then either, and the death toll was a bit higher...


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24 Oct 2010, 5:35 am

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in 1968. the Israelis made a serious attempt to sink an American ship (the Liberty), returning 3 times to try to deep six her. Nothing was said then either, and the death toll was a bit higher...


It was obviously a cock-up. Nothing like it has happened since. An American ship was in a combat zone (there was a war on at the time) and it got sunk. Here is the moral: American ships should stay out of the area where other people are having a war.

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24 Oct 2010, 10:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
Zara wrote:
So remember the Mavi Marmara incident from earlier this year?

The UN did it's investigation about Israel's assault on the humanitarian ships on May 31 and concluded that five of the deaths involved, including that of a US Citizen were executions.



you mean blockade runners. These ships were delivering weapons to Hamas. The Israelis were within their rights to keep such weapons out of Gaza.

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24 Oct 2010, 10:29 am

beau99 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Zara wrote:
So remember the Mavi Marmara incident from earlier this year?

The UN did it's investigation about Israel's assault on the humanitarian ships on May 31 and concluded that five of the deaths involved, including that of a US Citizen were executions.



you mean blockade runners. These ships were delivering weapons to Hamas. The Israelis were within their rights to keep such weapons out of Gaza.

ruveyn

Incorrect.


So you say. But you are not on the receiving end of a Hamas rocket launch, are you?

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