Banning loud children from restaurants, airplanes

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You've hit the nail on the head. I've been trying to put that last sentence in words for ages! All I could get to was "it doesn't matter if it's the first time a child has been annoyingly loud in public, to everyone else it's yet another child being annoyingly loud and this happens all the time and children should be silenced immediately if not sooner". Not as eloquent you might agree

One way to solve this would be to get rid of the provincial smoking bans..Allow restaraunts and such to decide on their own whether or not smoking should be allowed....I don't think too many parents would want to bring their kid to a restaraunt where people are lighting up cuban cigars.

Has anyone else noticed that Chinese children are usually quiet and well behaved?

In the shopping center or other places they don't run around screaming or climbing all over things.
I wonder why?
Perhaps their parents just won't accept such behavior.

"Upper class" English children don't behave like drunken Vikings.

The worst kid I knew was a real thug. His "liberal" mother was still breast feeding him in public when he was about five years old. (Now that was a disgusting sight).

She didn't want to "inhibit his freedom of expression" or whatever dippy hippy excuse she had.
I was present at a mutual friend's house when she totally ignored that the little monster climbed up on the host's antique french dining room table and jumped up and down with his shoes on.

The hostess was dumbstruck. What should she do? Grab the little thug and smack him silly?
The hostess politely hoped that the mother would deal with the situation, but she didn't.

No I have never noticed but that proves how kids can behave and parents can do it.

If that happened in my home, I would tell the mother and her bratty child to GET OFF OF MY PROPERTY AND DON;T COME BACK UNTIL SHE TEACHES THAT KID SOME MANNERS AND HOW TO BEHAVE IN OTHER PEOPLES' HOMES. In my home, all are welcome if they act in a civilized manner and refrain from jumping around like animals. If she wants that kid to express himself, he can do so in his own home. I am conservative and so are my parents. I was expected to be on my best behaviour as a kid when we went to other peoples' houses or when we went out anywhere.
My best friend from El Salvador has a little boy, and that little boy is well behaved. He doesn't scream or climb all over the place. He has pretty good manners and he is seven years old. His father (my friend) can take him to places like the Sawmill or Boston Pizza and there would be no issues.

I'm all for this, particularly in movie theaters watching a movie with a rating above PG. I practically reside in theaters since my work and life revolves around film, and nothing annoys me more then a screaming child in a PG-13 or higher film. They should be strictly prohibited, none of this "With parental consent" crap, they simply don't belong.

The kids hardly cry because of mental conditions. In every single place I ever go there is always a toddler bawling and whining and screaming. Everywhere. The more they're playing up as toddlers, the more they are probably NT. I really hate kids screaming and bawling in my ear when I've paid to have a nice meal, or for a long flight on the plane - even a day at the zoo was spoiled by kids. And I'm not complaining about older children here - it is toddlers I cannot stand. I don't mind babies under 2 years old, because babies don't cry to be naughty. But a toddler is mostly crying because it's not getting it's own way, or it's just being awkward and naughty. And their screaming goes right through my ears, and it reaches a point where I cannot endure it. Some people can ignore it, but I can't.
I mean - yes, maybe sometimes parents have to bring their toddlers on the plane - but half of them are just going on holiday because they think they are treating the toddlers - but the kids are too little to appreciate anything. They are just as happy playing in a paddling pool in the garden. I never went abroad 'til I was 14. But I think children under 4 are too little to be took abroad, because having them bawling and screaming on a 9-hour flight really isn't fair on the other passengers, the parents, and the kid itself. All they do is play up - and how are the parents enjoying their exotic holiday (what they paid hundreds for), with a kid bawling at their ankles the whole time?

And once when me and my family went to visit the London Undergrounds as a nice day out, the whole day was ruined because somebody's kid was scared, so they had to cancel the tour for everyone else. That is not fair at all. We all paid, and we never got our money back or anything. Why would they let a 3 year old into somewhere like that? 2 to 4 year olds belong in playgrounds, bouncy castles, crechés, play centres, ect ect ect. London undergrounds are for older children and adults who want to enjoy a nice day out - not for toddlers who are more than likely going to be scared - it's obvious. If the parents don't know that their kid is going to get scared in somewhere what isn't even designed for toddlers, then they can't be very good parents.

Ohh, I am really not a toddler person! I know I was a toddler once, but I was still probably called a brat by toddler-haters in public - I bet.

oscuria i had to laugh when i read your post. Let me ask you did you get banned from any of the places where these melt downs of your occured? So if it alright for you or any one to have a melt down and become disruptive or loud why do you think it is wrong for a person much younger then yourself to have a melt down? How many couples have anything from a mild disagreement to a full blown fight in public. What about a group of teenagers I have raised kids and have grandkids and I know for a fact a child under six can usually be quieted much faster and easire then any of those.

Don't you think that by denying access to goods and services to anyone based soley on the fact that they have children under six is a slippery slope that ends in people with children being treated as second class citizens. Is it not kind of like when african americans had to sit at the back of the bus or use separate water fountains. It was wrong when that was allowed to happen and by refusing to allow people with young children access to any public business seems to be along the same lines as making african americans sit at the back of the buds (people with children refused access to first class seats on airplanes and having to sit in coach.) Not exactly the same but similar dont you think? People with children banned from resturants (african americans forced to use separate drinking fountain) again not quiet the same but a clear parallel don't you think.

Maybe this is something that should be given a bit more thought before it is an acceptable practice. I am sure there are alternitives to taking such a drastic and bigoted position. Perhaps a sign at the entrance simply stating that loud or disruptive customers will be asked to leave.

The reason that restaurants and businesses have to resort to banning all children is that parents don't have the decency and respect to remove their misbehaving or screaming children out.

People say it discriminates against autistic kids, I don't think so. Most children with autism act out when they are overloaded. A family should not bring their autistic child to a place that obviously stresses the child out. Some people with autism are able to handle a restaurant environment fine.

A lot of parents will tell me, "We cannot get rid of the kids, and we deserve to go out." In justifying taking their misbehaving children out at the expense of others.

I call that BS. When people have children, they should know that the sacrifices must be made. My parents didn't go out anywhere for over five years because my sister and I were too young to be left alone and there was not a sitter able to handle my autism. If parents cannot handle the sacrifice, then they shouldn't have children.

Sadly, many stubborn parents do not leave. Therefore, they ruin it for the rest of parents who are willing to discipline their children or remove screaming ones.

It's insulting that our society is not accepting of children much anymore. Do none of these people remember what they were like as children?
I've seen with my own two eyes some really bad instances of a child acting like a child and the parents getting asked to leave over it.
Airplanes used to be more kid friendly too. This is the result of this me me me selfish f****d up society.

I don't like the sound of babies crying BUT I can bring headphones, ear plugs and not go be a mean person to parents over their babies crying. NT's without children can't stand the sound of babies crying either but when they have babies of their own I'd love to see their reaction when someone tries to kick them out because our society no longer likes kids.

Our modern society has produced noisy children with parents who think that everyone else should just put up with it. Years ago children were taught to behave in public (and at home for that matter) and it was rare for there to be problem noisy children.


I don't use airplanes, but, my friends have often complained about kids being noisy and kicking the back of their seat for a 6 hour flight. Earphones don't stop that!

And it's not that society doesn't like kids, it's society doesn't like undisciplined kids and parents who fail to discipline their offspring. If discipline is not working you take your child away to somewhere else. It's common courtesy, which society seems to lack these days, because of the ME, ME, ME, I'm not the problem, it's everyone else thing!! !

Smoking is banned almost everywhere I live (and being one of the few people who doesn't smoke where I live I'm actually glad so I don't have to inhale cancer stick smoke) so GOOD. I am sick of parents bringing their screaming, whining, snotty-nosed little buggers with them to places like stores and restaurants expecting everyone else to just put up with it. It's all I can do sometimes to not scream at them to shut up so I can hear myself think or even speak to other people. My mother says my brother and I were pretty quiet when we were kids but the majority of kids today act like they have ADHD or drank Red Bull or something!

In my outrageous opinion, The solution is to declare loudness a disorder and ban such children from breeding.

GREAT! NOW IF ONLY THEY'D BAN LOUD ADULTS FROM TOWNS TOO!

this brings up a rather interesting topic. you can ban noisy jerks from restaurants, but you can't ban then from playing next to your house like that. isn't that rather odd?

I have a solution. Just ask the crying child if this rag smells like chloroform...