Bombings in Oslo, Norway; shootings

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Ha ha ha ha! You're talking about one man who got a seat on a council!

So, yes, it was the most rational assumption to make and you are wrong. Don't let that stop you.

You know what Tequila, I really can't be bothered arguing with you.

For anyone who actually wants genuine information, rather than information filtered through Tequila's warped racist perspective, Daniel Höglund is the leader of the Swedish nazi party and he was recently elected in Grästorp Kommun. Thankfully the Kommun discovered shortly afterwards that he was also a liar and ineligible to stand so he was kicked off.

You're wrong, that's why. And you've just been discovered.

The guy was a lying incompetent that managed to get himself elected on the back of a few nutters who thought like him. Like that never, ever happens anywhere, ever, in the entire land of Sweden. Ever.

The NRA does not support the neo-nazis or the KKK, and the spirit of this law is mired down in mind boggling incompetence that DHS tries to conceal by witch hunting.

There are people on the wow forums saying the shooter was a wow player.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#25

Conservatism, the 85 mage.

The suspect has confessed to the crimes. He has also published a manifesto of about 1500 pages (search for 2083 and you will find it). This manifesto details not only his motives but has instructions for copycats and a diary of his preparations for the attack.
He mentions he used playing WoW as a cover, as an explanation to his family and friends for what was taking up all his time.

Note: most threats of terrorist attacks in Europe and even most successful terrorist attacks in Europe are by separatist movements. Far below them is the radical left. Below them the radical right. Below them? Islamists. The threat from Islamists really is very low. Unfortunately, me mentioning this won't change the minds of those who should.

He's a "Christian" "jihadist"; a crusader, hoping to create a worldwide terrorist movement, alike Arabic terrorist groups, killing not just muslims but also socialists.

He probably will succeed, if humanity doesn't somehow change.

...I really hope that something significant will happen, towards the end of 2012. And I don't mean the end of the world - the various, ancient prophecies, that match up for that time, seem to tell about a significant 'change'. Who knows. :|

The facts: Friday 22/7 2011 at about 15:20 a huge explosion took place in the government street in Oslo. It was complete chaos. Most assumed it had been a bomb but they also held the possibility open that it might have been a gas flask that had exploded since road work was being done in the next street. As was the case with 9/11 and 7/7, no one knew anything at first. Police were cordoning off the immediate area. Windows had been blown out in one km distance round ground zero, and people had been showered in glass shards. The first eye witness reports mentioned glass everywhere, people lying bleeding on the street, the smell of gun powder. Panicked people ran in all directions, while some tried to help the wounded. A man said he checked for pulse and found people with and without pulse and with and without legs.
Soon came the claim that another explosion had gone off near another political building some streets away. Larger and larger sections of central Oslo was evacuated and cordoned off as there was no knowing if there were more bombs. Parts of the buildings are still falling off.


Around 17:30 there were new reports, this time about gun shots on Utøya, where AUF (the youth section of the labour party) was having its summer camp with roughly 700 members aged between. Parents were getting calls and SMS from their kids saying a man was shooting at them at that people had died. Some hid, some threw themselves in the water trying to get to the shore. The shooter was described as Aryan and he was clothed in a police uniform.
As survivors escaped, they told their stories. The shooter had said he came from the police and that he was there to give them information about the bomb in Oslo. Then he started shooting them with an automatic weapon. He was described as being ice cold, no screaming, no running, but calmly picking them off. As they escaped from room to room inside the facility, he followed them stoically. As people tried to swim away from the island, he shot after them.
He was arrested and has been identified as Anders Behring Breivik, a 32 year old conservative Christian with extreme right connection. Technically he isn’t a neo-nazi, his ideology differs on some points, but I can’t be bothered to go into the POV of this sick f***.
Through his firm geofram he purchased 6 tons of synthetic fertilizer. 600-700 kilos of it was used in the car bomb, and another 3 tons are accounted for. About 2 tons are still missing.


So far it has been confirmed that the explosion killed 7 people. Some are missing from the departments but nothing is confirmed there.
85 people are confirmed dead after the shooting, a few more are still missing.
28 are critically or severely wounded, 17 from Utøya and 11 from the Oslo bomb.








My personal account: Friday 22/7 2011 at about 15:20 I heard an enormous bang. The sound was as loud as thunder would be if it is real close, but it lacked the rolling quality characteristic of thunder. My first thought actually was that it sounded like an explosion, 8we hear explosions at times in connection with construction work) but thunder seemed far more likely so I dismissed it immediately. I saw no lightning, but the weather was rainy so I assumed it was thunder.
The floor shook under me.
My father, who was in the bath room, said the walls there shook.
My mother returned from the garage at the time, and she had seen no lightning either.

With a sinking feeling I checked the net news, which confirmed it. A huge explosion had taken place in the government street down town. It was complete chaos.
Streets cordoned off, glass shards all over the central part of Oslo, bleeding people in the streets, debris and rubble...


I live only some 7 km from where the site. There is a bus stop by the government building, only metres from where the car bomb went off. One of the buses that stop there is the one I take to get home from the down town area. I have stood at that bus stop so many times. It could easily have been me or my mother being at the wrong place at the wrong time there.

The scenes here brings tears to my eyes, watch at your own risk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9f4zVZvS8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr0j1th5nq8

Parts of Oslo is like a war zone, and 92 people are murdered. It's safe to say that there is state of shock here, shock, sorrow and anger
It's completely utterly unbelivable

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Human being is the most dangerous animal (epic win to whomever said that quote.....truer words were never spoken)

I think he had a helper whos still on the loose , makes sence since ABB was seen with a speaker near his mouth.

Two tons of fertilizer still are missing, meaning three more bombs of that power, still may be out there. If the Norwegian police doesn't get that they need to severely torture him, to get out the information, then they are being outrageously unwise. One of the Norwegian cops should sacrifice their career, if necessary, to halt the remainder of his plan.

Norwegians of this forum, spread around these thoughts, because this HAS to sink in for the Norwegian police! He is a monster - he lacks human rights. Same with his still elusive companion.

What type of of guns did he use, meaning makes, models, and calibers? Did he bring any body armor, melee, or [unlikely] less lethal weapons?

It looks a lot like a lone gunman. If he had an accomplice and they stood to kill the most people on the island, it would reason that the accomplice would join him there. I don't know for a fact there wasn't an accomplice, I'm just saying it's unlikely and it's standard procedure for the police to look for additional suspects in any case.

Does anyone have a good news source for this in English?

www.thelocal.se

It's a Swedish one, in English, that reports on it.


I'm quoting what I said, before, by the way, so it shows on this page, as well... too early and too important to be on the previous page:

I have to disagree, the idea of beating the truth out of the vile offender might appeal to many people but decent society needs to maintain a higher level of morals than the excuse for a human who shot up the children's camp.

I suspect that if I was put in his cell with a cricket bat and instructions to beat him until he confessed then he would soon make a false confession just to get me to stop trying to knock him for six. He would say just about anything to get me to stop hitting him with the bat.

edited to remove a typo

I'm not talking about confessing who the other one was, as that obviously could go wrong - I'm talking about making him confess where the other bombs are. He would be told that if he wouldn't tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he would be tortured even more, afterwards, with worse methods. And certainly never with a bat - that is not proper torture. He would confess it properly, and then he'd be tortured, afterwards, anyway. If there never were other bombs, big deal. And when the marks of the torture would've healed, he would be hanged in his cell, with no proof of the torture ever even having taken place, during the autopsy. He would be announced to have taken his life, people who now are starting to like him would feel he wasn't strong enough, as a "martyr", anyway, and we would have at least SOME sort of justice.

dehumanising him will really lead us nowhere. he *is* a human and not a monster, unfortunately. there's been plenty of people like him before and there will be others. we should learn how to spot them early enough, not lie to ourselves that they are some other, lower form of life.

@Skilpadde it was interesting to read your account of what happened. how is it looking right now?