Bombings in Oslo, Norway; shootings

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24 Jul 2011, 11:12 pm

I read the longest prison sentence in Norway is 21 years.

He will be out in 2032.

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24 Jul 2011, 11:41 pm

Mandatory parole after serving 2/3, he could be out in 2025.

There is an option to add years, reviewed at the end of sentence, if there is reason to believe the person will kill again. Even then, the concept of life in prison has been abolished. Everyone will be released someday.

He commited one crime in one day.

Norway has about 3,000 in prison, the prisons are large, 65 acres of trees, lots of things to do. America has eleven times as many as a percentage of population in prison.

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25 Jul 2011, 1:39 am

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There is an option to add years, reviewed at the end of sentence, if there is reason to believe the person will kill again. Even then, the concept of life in prison has been abolished. Everyone will be released someday.

So that's why he didn't cap himself like they do in the US. :idea:

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25 Jul 2011, 2:11 am

ruveyn wrote:

I just read a news clipping. The Norwegian officials think this Berserk Viking shot up everyone to provoke an anti-Muslim crusade in Norway. Damn! I should have thought of that! It makes sense.

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At least two bombings against Norweigan government offices and shootings by a man masked as a policeman at a political children's summit camp.
Link to article from Sky News

I will bet good money that Muslims are behind this.

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And you fell for it; you are exactly the type of person the gun man likes, quick to jump on any kind of bandwagon . You allow your hated of others who are different, to blind you to the facts. (sorry I forgot you only like ‘factoids’ that support your twisted view of the world.

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25 Jul 2011, 6:02 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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At least two bombings against Norweigan government offices and shootings by a man masked as a policeman at a political children's summit camp.

Link to article from Sky News

I will bet good money that Muslims are behind this.

ruveyn

HAhaha the guy wanted to eliminate the muslims, how does it feel to be a rascist idiot

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25 Jul 2011, 8:27 pm

I just saw a clip of Glenn Beck, in which he expresses outrage - - not over the shooting - - but that the Norwegian Labor Party should have a political youth camp, which he in fact compared to the Hitler Youth.
I can't begin to tell you how angry I am at this psycho prick, Beck, right now.

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25 Jul 2011, 8:54 pm

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For the uninformed, who is Glenn Beck?

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25 Jul 2011, 9:03 pm

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For the uninformed, who is Glenn Beck?

Lately of Fox News. A right wing type.

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25 Jul 2011, 9:03 pm

Human beings are hateful by nature and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Humans are afraid and suspicious of anyone who looked different because back in the Stone Age you couldn't tell if they were friendly or hostile so you stuck with your own "kind" because you were familiar with them. Even if you've learned to tolerate people who are different from you we all know deep down you are fighting your primitive genes with every single step. And that's why we'll never get along, and that's why we're all doomed. Um yeah well have a nice day anyway...

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25 Jul 2011, 9:07 pm

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He's a right wing huckster who has largely inbred, brainless crackers and rednecks listening for every word to tumble from his lips. Basically, he tells people on the far right what they want to hear, by twisting facts, telling half-truths, and all out lies. The man is a first class demagogue and rank self promoter who got famous on Fox news for a few years as their biggest money maker, till he chased away their sponsors with his vile, insane rhetoric. He was instrumental in pushing lies, such as that Obama's health care reforms involved killing old people, that liberal progressive ideology is equal to communism and Nazism, and that Muslim Americans, and labor union members are enemies of our country, etc. I could go on and on, but I'd be typing all night.
Needless to say, I strongly dislike the man, but what he said about the children who were victims of that lunatic is unpardonable.

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25 Jul 2011, 11:28 pm

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I heard about the comment but I haven't seen the full article of what he said. He does have a point. Whether you want to compare the labor party's camp to the Hitler youth or the young pioneers (your choice), it is a youth program set up by a political party to encourage radical indoctrination.

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25 Jul 2011, 11:36 pm

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The John Birch Society has youth camps in this country. When have you complained about them?
And I'll repeat, Beck found it more horrendous that these kids were in such a camp, than that that lunatic mass murdered them. I really hope you're not saying the same thing.
And I would remind you, the Norwegian labor party in fact had fought the Nazis. I'd say equating their kids with the Hitler Youth is a pretty low blow.

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26 Jul 2011, 12:05 am

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So you prefer that it is like in the US, where basically no one but corrupt, older people get into politics, leading to total breakdown of democracy as only two parties manage to survive? Contrary to how it is in Norway and Sweden where many parties are in parliament, and where, at least in Sweden, the third biggest party is partially represented by a person who is just 28 (the other person is about ten years older).

I'm not sure about Denmark and Finland (think it's the same, though), but in Sweden and Norway, youths are encouraged at an early age to get into politics. No one but maybe parents indoctrinates anything - they make their own choices on what they are or aren't interested in. If they then make those choices because they are easily impressionable, due to their young age, is an entirely different matter, but at least we do not have a breakdown of democracy, over here, thanks to this "indoctrination", as you assume of it.

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26 Jul 2011, 12:21 am

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I was not aware they had camps, and it's not relevant because they are not a political party that fields candidates.

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26 Jul 2011, 12:25 am

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John_Browning wrote:

So you prefer that it is like in the US, where basically no one but corrupt, older people get into politics, leading to total breakdown of democracy as only two parties manage to survive? Contrary to how it is in Norway and Sweden where many parties are in parliament, and where, at least in Sweden, the third biggest party is partially represented by a person who is just 28 (the other person is about ten years older).

I'm not sure about Denmark and Finland, but in Sweden and Norway, youths are encouraged at an early age to get into politics. No one but maybe parents indoctrinates anything - they make their own choices on what they are or aren't interested in. If they then make those choices because they are easily impressionable, due to their young age, is an entirely different matter, but at least we do not have a breakdown of democracy, over here, thanks to this "indoctrination", as you assume of it.

Here in the United States, people like Glenn Beck and Tea Party members have said publicly that young people don't know enough to vote. Several states in fact have enacted laws demanding that picture ID be shown prior voting, in what is considered to be nothing more than voter suppression, specifically targeting younger and poorer people (who often don't have picture ID) who usually vote liberal. This is definitely a case of old, rich bastards trying to disenfranchise those who are a threat to their conservative power base.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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26 Jul 2011, 12:29 am

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I was not aware they had camps, and it's not relevant because they are not a political party that fields candidates.

It is relevant. The John Birch Society has strong connections to the Tea Party, which definitely has gained control of the Republican party.

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