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11 Aug 2011, 8:48 am

As far as I know, the BNP hate the EDL and that dislike is fully reciprocated. From what I can tell, most of the people in the EDL are non-party political - non-voters if you like. They're a grassroots street movement not aligned with any one party - and believe me, if the left-wing could pin the EDL on the BNP, they would.

Sinn Féin are the IRA scum in suits.



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11 Aug 2011, 9:14 am

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Sinn Féin are the IRA scum in suits.


That's irrelevant really, I was using them as an analogy.



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11 Aug 2011, 10:46 am

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As far as I know, the BNP hate the EDL and that dislike is fully reciprocated.


Good thing, too. As history has proven time and time again, xenophobes are far less dangerous when they're divided and fighting amongst each other than they are when they unite against a common enemy. So bring on the BNP, the NF, the EDL, UKIP ... in a first-past-the-post system, it helps to have as many far-right parties as possible, because that way the racist vote will be split between them and none of them will make any significant progress.


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11 Aug 2011, 10:51 am

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Because the average man on the street has been shouted down and called 'racist', 'fascist', 'extremist' and so on for his opinions too many times,


Who and what constitutes "the average man on the street"?

Does that grouping include women? Racial monorites? Disabled people? People with ASDs? Or is it - as I suspect - a non-existant demographic dreamt up by the Daily Mail in order to give their readers the illusion that the reactionary nonsense they peddle represents the view of the silent majority?


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11 Aug 2011, 11:28 am

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Because the average man on the street has been shouted down and called 'racist', 'fascist', 'extremist' and so on for his opinions too many times,


Who and what constitutes "the average man on the street"?

Does that grouping include women? Racial monorites? Disabled people? People with ASDs? Or is it - as I suspect - a non-existant demographic dreamt up by the Daily Mail in order to give their readers the illusion that the reactionary nonsense they peddle represents the view of the silent majority?



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Tequila posted that comment BTW.



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11 Aug 2011, 11:34 am

We can not put the clock back to 1948. If we had been so inclined to preserve our nation in that time and mindscape we would have . It didn't happen. The racist approach is not a good strategy even if I agreed with it. I have no issue with people wanting to find and express their own identity and traditions as long as it does not lead to conflict and violence, because that is the last thing we need now, and to enact that strategy would create many times worse than what we have witnessed recently.

This is our country now as it is now, right or wrong as to how it became so.



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11 Aug 2011, 11:37 am

Locstman has it quietened down now in London?



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11 Aug 2011, 12:11 pm

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Something to add: How can you call these people parasites when it's the rich who are keeping all of the money and cutting off everything to the poor including money and decent education? If you cut these things off then how are people going to get decent enough jobs like the rich?


The problem is you people in England have been dependent of Government taking care of you for so long, you don't know are addicted to it like a drug. Want to know why Conservatives in America are against our country being turned into Europe. Well we're seeing a shining example of the reason in Greece, UK, etc.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:38 pm

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Locstman has it quietened down now in London?


Yes, the momentum has definitely wound down - at least for the time being. What with the long-term effects of the austerity drive just beginning to kick in though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was more to come.


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11 Aug 2011, 12:46 pm

I am self employed. The government does not take care of us. Freedom is a hard but worthwhile road. There is no way I would work in an office -type place and be protected . I don't mind not having much money , and there is nothing in consumable goods I want or aspire to own. Pensions will probably not exist when I retire.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:46 pm

Tom_Kakes wrote:
Locustman wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Tom_Kakes wrote:

Because the average man on the street has been shouted down and called 'racist', 'fascist', 'extremist' and so on for his opinions too many times,


Who and what constitutes "the average man on the street"?

Does that grouping include women? Racial monorites? Disabled people? People with ASDs? Or is it - as I suspect - a non-existant demographic dreamt up by the Daily Mail in order to give their readers the illusion that the reactionary nonsense they peddle represents the view of the silent majority?



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Tequila posted that comment BTW.


Ah, yes - sorry about that. :oops: Still stand by what I said, though!


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11 Aug 2011, 12:46 pm

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Does that grouping include women? Racial monorites? Disabled people? People with ASDs? Or is it - as I suspect - a non-existant demographic dreamt up by the Daily Mail in order to give their readers the illusion that the reactionary nonsense they peddle represents the view of the silent majority?


It includes everyone. Everyone has different opinions in this country. I'm thinking of the average person in an average living situation in an average UK suburb.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:50 pm

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We can not put the clock back to 1948. If we had been so inclined to preserve our nation in that time and mindscape we would have . It didn't happen. The racist approach is not a good strategy even if I agreed with it. I have no issue with people wanting to find and express their own identity and traditions as long as it does not lead to conflict and violence.


Can't be done, I don't think. I think the multicultural - i.e. specifically not multiracial, but multicultural - ideals are the main part of the problem and that they will inevitably lead to sectarian ghettoisation and religious conflict.

We can't turn the clock back and I think secretly even quite a lot of BNP supporters know that. Personally, I wouldn't want to. We are where we are, and no amount of (misguided) harking back to the past will change that.

What we have to do is look to a civic nationalism where we all basically follow the same general ideals, if not the same identity. Deliberately promoting alien identities and putting them on the par with the majority is deranged and that's the main part of the problem.

Immigration should be stemmed until we've sorted these issues out, which might take a couple of decades. And after that we should only really be letting people in when they benefit the country as a whole, like any other sane nation would.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:52 pm

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Locstman has it quietened down now in London?


Yes, the momentum has definitely wound down - at least for the time being. What with the long-term effects of the austerity drive just beginning to kick in though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was more to come.


I am glad you are safe.

Yes Austerity will have an effect. One thing -they should bring the EMA back . I am relatively poor, but taking way the EMA is a message that education is not for children if families are really poor. My son still says some can get education bursaries , is this correct?

I do not think many Americans fully realize the extent of the social divide in our country and what things cost here.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:53 pm

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I do not think many Americans fully realize the extent of the social divide in our country and what things cost here.


I'll go along with this. They don't seem to understand the issues that face Northern European countries in general.



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11 Aug 2011, 12:55 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Something to add: How can you call these people parasites when it's the rich who are keeping all of the money and cutting off everything to the poor including money and decent education? If you cut these things off then how are people going to get decent enough jobs like the rich?


The problem is you people in England have been dependent of Government taking care of you for so long, you don't know are addicted to it like a drug. Want to know why Conservatives in America are against our country being turned into Europe. Well we're seeing a shining example of the reason in Greece, UK, etc.



Nanny state? I think you should actually visit the UK, parts other than the main tourist destinations. Seriously I thought the happy Yankee crap pictures of the USA our media paints is bad enough. Let alone the picture your ultra right wing cruddery notions of nanny states and Mr bean.

Lol