Is Troy Davis Going To Die Today

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21 Sep 2011, 5:24 pm

Randall Dale Adams, Damian Echolls; weren't they unquestionably guilty, too? Weren't they both on Death Row? For the British members of WrongPlanet, there was Derek Bentley, and there was Timothy Evans, both of whom were executed. Wrongly. This a man's life, and there are serious questions, and there has never been forensic proof of Davis' guilt. Sylkat

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21 Sep 2011, 10:23 pm

He's Dead.

End of Thread?

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21 Sep 2011, 11:38 pm

I'll bet that the Georgia Parole Board would have granted him clemency if he had been WHITE.

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22 Sep 2011, 12:00 am

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And who determines whether that was actually the case or not? I definitely agree that the witnesses lied at some point, but I don't see why I should assume their original testimony is the lie rather than their taking it back. I'm not inclined to believe that over the course of 22 years, one man with a bad reputation has been repeatedly misjudged. For what reason should I believe that?

For what reason?

Because the entire foundation of English criminal law, of the United States has fallen heir, is the presumption of innocence.

Furthermore, no person can be convicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence unless that circumstantial evidence is consistent with no other possible conclusion but the guilt of the accused. Yet here--where there is no direct evidence of the guilt of the accused, he stands convicted.

It follows, then, that anything which provides for an alternative theory of events creates a reasonable doubt.

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22 Sep 2011, 1:01 am

Is it true that the testimonies were never officially (legally) recanted? Did the witnesses recant their testimonies in front of the press or some other group with no legal authority? As I recall the board of pardons said that all testimonies were still legally valid.

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22 Sep 2011, 1:55 am

Fnord wrote:

maquaii wrote:

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I guess I'm the only person who hopes so.

So you think it's OK to execute people where there is reasonable doubt to whether they did it?

Since this "Reasonable Doubt" you claim for yourself occurred after the conviction and sentencing, it is no longer relevant to the outcome. It is even less relevant considering that you were likely not a member of the jury.

Apparently there was little or no "Reasonable Doubt" in the jury's deliberations. The jury must have been presented with a preponderance of evidence that overcame all reasonable forms of doubt. Maybe if one of them recanted, it might make a difference, but I have my own "Reasonable Doubt of that outcome.

I was not asking a jury or court there, I was asking "TheFangirl".

Reasonable doubt in the way that no one can for certain say he did it. He was convicted based on witness reports, where all but two recanted, and one of the two were also a suspect. He was at the place the cop got shot, owned a gun of such caliber. And witnesses say that Cole claimed to have killed the cop after Travis was convicted.
The jury is not without faults, neither is the system. People have been sentenced to death and later proven innocent, after they were killed and before.
Hey! A guy got sentenced to death when his alibi was "being held at a police station", where (i think it was two) of the witnesses were the guilty party.

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22 Sep 2011, 5:00 am

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I'll bet that the Georgia Parole Board would have granted him clemency if he had been WHITE.

probably.

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22 Sep 2011, 7:00 am

How many of you who think this was about race live in Savannah? I grew up there. I have seen more racism up here in northern NY than I have seen in Georgia. Savannah is about 50% black. The majority of the jurors were black.

Reasonable doubt is subjective. I don't think there's reasonable doubt and neither did the jury, apparently.

And why does everyone keep saying 7 out of 9 witnesses recanted? There were more than 9 witnesses.

http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/pdf/409cv00130_92part1.pdf
http://www.gasd.uscourts.gov/pdf/409cv00130_92part2.pdf

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22 Sep 2011, 8:56 am

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I'll bet that the Georgia Parole Board would have granted him clemency if he had been WHITE.

You can bet on anything you want to bet on, but that does not make a fact.

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22 Sep 2011, 9:03 am

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I have seen more racism up here in northern NY than I have seen in Georgia.

There are black people in northern NY???

(I've only seen maybe 2)

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22 Sep 2011, 9:04 am

TheFangirl wrote:

... And why does everyone keep saying 7 out of 9 witnesses recanted? There were more than 9 witnesses.

Because they are ignorant of the facts, and only want to stir up trouble.

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I'll bet that the Georgia Parole Board would have granted him clemency if he had been WHITE.

A sucker's bet - one that you are sure to never have to pay out.

He's dead. It's over.

Deal with it.

Everyone.

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22 Sep 2011, 9:06 am

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That you lived there, and saw little does not mean that it wasn't racism in this case. I've never seen such around here, doesn't mean there ain't.
Just because you are of the same color does not mean you don't judge them based on it. When you keep hearing over and over on the news about young black men, or kids doing this and that, it doesn't matter what skin your color is, some start believing it.
Not saying that it was racism, (Didn't even look at it that way) just saying that your points aren't good enough to say that it wasn't. (Not trying to be degrading or rude here, hope you get that.)

Thanks for those links! I wanted to learn everything of the case, but couldn't find anything =/

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22 Sep 2011, 9:16 am

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Nothing wrong with what you're saying. I didn't say it was impossible that racism can happen. I just think that people are quicker to assume it's racism because it happened in the south. I agree black people can be racist against black people. On the same token, racism isn't present by a lack of black people either. White people are not automatically racist. Mostly, I think people have some assumptions about Savannah because it's in the south and for that matter, I think people have assumptions about the south itself.

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22 Sep 2011, 9:16 am

As for 9 witnesses, there were only 10 witnesses who saw the shooting of the cop, though one of them did not see the shooters face.

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22 Sep 2011, 9:20 am

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Ah, ok! I just interpreted it the wrong way. Sorry about that.

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22 Sep 2011, 9:21 am

maquaii wrote:

As for 9 witnesses, there were only 10 witnesses who saw the shooting of the cop, though one of them did not see the shooters face.

That still does not make any sense. 10 is not 9. You should read the links I posted.

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