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22 Sep 2011, 9:35 am

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As for 9 witnesses, there were only 10 witnesses who saw the shooting of the cop, though one of them did not see the shooters face.
That still does not make any sense. 10 is not 9. You should read the links I posted.

I am reading them, and as i said one of them didn't see the guys face, another did not remember anything but a hat. I suppose one of them have been ignored.



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22 Sep 2011, 9:38 am

maquaii wrote:
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As for 9 witnesses, there were only 10 witnesses who saw the shooting of the cop, though one of them did not see the shooters face.
That still does not make any sense. 10 is not 9. You should read the links I posted.

I am reading them, and as i said one of them didn't see the guys face, another did not remember anything but a hat. I suppose one of them have been ignored.
Oh sorry. I quoted and responded without realizing you were the same person I was already talking to.


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22 Sep 2011, 1:00 pm

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Is it true that the testimonies were never officially (legally) recanted? Did the witnesses recant their testimonies in front of the press or some other group with no legal authority? As I recall the board of pardons said that all testimonies were still legally valid.


In law this is tantamount to "sharp practice."

It is not the role of the state and the prosecutor to, "win." It is the role of the prosecutor to be a Minister of Justice. So, too, judges and people in quasi-judicial adminstrative tribunals (such as a board of pardons) are enjoined not to seek the technical answer, but the just answer.

Equity places substance over form, and where the law and equity are in conflict, equity prevails. Even if testimony had not legally been recanted, an equitable estoppel could properly have gone forth to permit a forum to be convened in which that could take place.

I do not believe that this story is finished--and I am not at all certain that the administration of justice will emerge from the full revelation of the story with its reputation intact.


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22 Sep 2011, 1:32 pm

http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm


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22 Sep 2011, 2:10 pm

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http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm

Thank you for that.

He was guilty as Hell.

That article definitely ends any need for further discussion.



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22 Sep 2011, 3:09 pm

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TheFangirl wrote:
http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm

Thank you for that.

He was guilty as Hell.

That article definitely ends any need for further discussion.


You give off the impression that you also judged the case with lack of knowledge. You seemed to dislike this thread yet could simply have said why he was guilty to end this, with similar information that Fangirl added, yet didn't.

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http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm

Though i would not have trust the last link. (I do tend to trust the news to a dregree, but i don't trust random sites which do not back up their claims) I preferred the two previous ones. Thank you for the information Fangirl, I appreciate it.



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22 Sep 2011, 3:15 pm

I put the information up on the commentary boards of a news site, and they removed it :?



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22 Sep 2011, 4:01 pm

maquaii wrote:
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http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm

Though i would not have trust the last link. (I do tend to trust the news to a dregree, but i don't trust random sites which do not back up their claims) I preferred the two previous ones. Thank you for the information Fangirl, I appreciate it.
I agree they haven't cited anything specific on that last link I sent you, but I wouldn't exactly call it random either. That's the Fraternal Order of Police. My guess is that they weren't putting it up for the intention of convincing people who like to dig into things on their own as much as your or I would. It does help to make some sense of the court documents though for people who might have a harder time deciphering it.


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22 Sep 2011, 4:15 pm

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http://www.fop9.net/markmacphail/debunkingthemyths.cfm

Though i would not have trust the last link. (I do tend to trust the news to a dregree, but i don't trust random sites which do not back up their claims) I preferred the two previous ones. Thank you for the information Fangirl, I appreciate it.
I agree they haven't cited anything specific on that last link I sent you, but I wouldn't exactly call it random either. That's the Fraternal Order of Police. My guess is that they weren't putting it up for the intention of convincing people who like to dig into things on their own as much as your or I would. It does help to make some sense of the court documents though for people who might have a harder time deciphering it.

Never heard of FOP before, and googling didn't help (thought i googled fop9 and not fop), and the Fop9.net just gives me an error. I think it might be of lack of Java installed.



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22 Sep 2011, 6:31 pm

visagrunt wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Is it true that the testimonies were never officially (legally) recanted? Did the witnesses recant their testimonies in front of the press or some other group with no legal authority? As I recall the board of pardons said that all testimonies were still legally valid.


In law this is tantamount to "sharp practice."

It is not the role of the state and the prosecutor to, "win." It is the role of the prosecutor to be a Minister of Justice. So, too, judges and people in quasi-judicial adminstrative tribunals (such as a board of pardons) are enjoined not to seek the technical answer, but the just answer.

Equity places substance over form, and where the law and equity are in conflict, equity prevails. Even if testimony had not legally been recanted, an equitable estoppel could properly have gone forth to permit a forum to be convened in which that could take place.

I do not believe that this story is finished--and I am not at all certain that the administration of justice will emerge from the full revelation of the story with its reputation intact.

The difference is legally admitting there is a problem with your testimony and simply telling people what they want to hear at a later date to cover their ass. If they submitted an affidavit recanting their testimony, then there would be grounds for a new trial. However, the actions the witnesses took simply amounted to playing the field once social pressure mounted against them.


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22 Sep 2011, 7:08 pm

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The difference is legally admitting there is a problem with your testimony and simply telling people what they want to hear at a later date to cover their ass. If they submitted an affidavit recanting their testimony, then there would be grounds for a new trial. However, the actions the witnesses took simply amounted to playing the field once social pressure mounted against them.

I heard it once referred to as "Appeal by Media" - used when a criminal trial results in an unwanted or unpopular verdict; when an appeal through normal legal process is unlikely to result in an acquittal, a lesser conviction, a reduced sentence, or a pardon; or when the preponderance of evidence weighs heavily against the defendant and eliminates the possibility of "reasonable doubt".



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22 Sep 2011, 10:08 pm

Because of this, I feel that only white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, heterosexual males should be held accountable for their actions, and everybody else should get away with murder.



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23 Sep 2011, 8:18 am

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Because of this, I feel that only white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, heterosexual males should be held accountable for their actions, and everybody else should get away with murder.


That is very ethnist and even racist.

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23 Sep 2011, 12:34 pm

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Because of this, I feel that only white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, heterosexual males should be held accountable for their actions, and everybody else should get away with murder.


That is very ethnist and even racist.

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I was being sarcastic, but it seems like WASPHMs are seen primarily as "oppressors", and people have to feel like they have to "oppress the oppressors" to right the wrongs of history.



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23 Sep 2011, 1:37 pm

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Because of this, I feel that only white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, heterosexual males should be held accountable for their actions, and everybody else should get away with murder.


That is very ethnist and even racist.

ruveyn


I was being sarcastic, but it seems like WASPHMs are seen primarily as "oppressors", and people have to feel like they have to "oppress the oppressors" to right the wrongs of history.


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