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What do you think about the decision to exclude people with Asperger's from the US military?
I think it is a good decision. 14%  14%  [ 21 ]
Overall, I think it's good, but there should be an examination or something similar to that effect. 13%  13%  [ 19 ]
Overall, I think it's a bad decision. People should only be excluded for physical disabilities or severe mental disabilities. 41%  41%  [ 60 ]
This is a terrible decision. This is discrimination! 32%  32%  [ 47 ]
Total votes : 147

pattheaspie
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09 Oct 2010, 9:39 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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if a Patriotic soldier who loves their country and is willing to Die for it
just cause they happen to Be a aspie
They should have every Right to Serve


If that Aspie is qualified for the service into which he enlists, I agree. First and foremost one must be able for the job.

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Yes if they Pass all the Test and can Enlist and Is qualified, Asperger syndrome should not be a reason to Turn them away
of course not Every aspie is qualifed but There are alot that beside the fact that they have it Would make Great soldiers



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09 Oct 2010, 9:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pattheaspie wrote:
if a Patriotic soldier who loves their country and is willing to Die for it
just cause they happen to Be a aspie
They should have every Right to Serve


If that Aspie is qualified for the service into which he enlists, I agree. First and foremost one must be able for the job.

ruveyn


Yes if they Pass all the Test and can Enlist and Is qualified, Asperger syndrome should not be a reason to Turn them away
of course not Every aspie is qualifed but There are alot that beside the fact that they have it Would make Great soldiers



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09 Oct 2010, 9:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pattheaspie wrote:
if a Patriotic soldier who loves their country and is willing to Die for it
just cause they happen to Be a aspie
They should have every Right to Serve


If that Aspie is qualified for the service into which he enlists, I agree. First and foremost one must be able for the job.

ruveyn


Yes if they Pass all the Test and can Enlist and Is qualified, Asperger syndrome should not be a reason to Turn them away
of course not Every aspie is qualifed but There are alot that beside the fact that they have it Would make Great soldiers



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10 Oct 2010, 8:36 pm

I wonder if I could just get away with saying I am ADHD....

except I dont have a prescribing provider...



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10 Oct 2010, 11:04 pm

pattheaspie wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pattheaspie wrote:
if a Patriotic soldier who loves their country and is willing to Die for it
just cause they happen to Be a aspie
They should have every Right to Serve


If that Aspie is qualified for the service into which he enlists, I agree. First and foremost one must be able for the job.

ruveyn


Yes if they Pass all the Test and can Enlist and Is qualified, Asperger syndrome should not be a reason to Turn them away
of course not Every aspie is qualifed but There are alot that beside the fact that they have it Would make Great soldiers


Exactly the same could be said of NTs.

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24 Sep 2011, 7:39 am

It's a bad judgement call to not allow an aspie into the military.
I served honorably 4 years and rarely did it interfere with my performance. Sure certain things were more difficult, but you cope and press on and deal..
outright ban is total bs, IMHO.



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26 Sep 2011, 4:20 pm

Good, why would we wanna be in the military anyway? 8)

I don't really get why Lady Gaga for example was championing the right for gays to serve in the army. I mean, I'm totally pro gay rights, but I would be choosing my battles better. Because really, if gays can serve, and now they can, that's good that they are equal and all, but the end result is just more gay people dying in our pointless wars.



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26 Sep 2011, 11:50 pm

I was in the Army for 6 yrs. and am a Veteran of the Iraq conflict. I think it is discrimination but at the same time, from my own experience. You guys don't want to join anyway. Trust me. Logic has no place there. Thats where I first manifested my Panic Attacks and Cyclic Vomiting.



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27 Sep 2011, 4:22 am

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Good, why would we wanna be in the military anyway? 8)

I don't really get why Lady Gaga for example was championing the right for gays to serve in the army. I mean, I'm totally pro gay rights, but I would be choosing my battles better. Because really, if gays can serve, and now they can, that's good that they are equal and all, but the end result is just more gay people dying in our pointless wars.


The army take a certain amount and homosexual lives are worth not more than straight ones. In fact in terms of value to the species they are worth less (they don't reproduce)

On the main subject. I think it is silly, the British Army excludes autistics. Luckily I am undiagnosed, I am n two minds as to whether to join. I would have to shave, get a haircut and possibly be sent to fight against Syria or even Iran. My states enemies happen to be some of my favourite nations.



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27 Sep 2011, 9:36 pm

I said "Overall, I think it's good, but there should be an examination or something similar to that effect." but I was mainly thinking of certain sterotypic military roles such as front line forces or flying helicopters. I think front line roles are generally unsuitable because of the high stress, unpredictability and need for split-second decisions, particularly for those of us aspies who freeze in fight or flight responses. There are probably positions within the military aspies would be suited to like for instance my mum has a cousin in the airforce who's job is testing equipment and munitions on base. Some medical, communication, IT, cooking, mechanical and reserve roles could be suited. Personally if I was to be involved in the military here in Aus it would be as a civilian at the defence science and technology organization.


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23 Apr 2012, 9:00 pm

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Well I guess they can't have an aspie soldier flipping out when action needs to be taken. This, however, does not take into account the benefit Aspie soldiers could provide, being more detail-oriented, among other things.


I was just reading Tony Attwoods book and he said that in some cases Aspies working in the Military or in Emergency rooms keep a level head when everyone is freaking out. I could see how sensory stuff could be a problem but I think they should test each one, boot camp seems to be a good test.

Maybe they're worried about PTSD lawsuits.



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25 Apr 2012, 8:56 pm

Excellent. I did not want to risk being ordered to die.


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26 Apr 2012, 10:49 pm

They're playing Jenga with this one if they won't recruit Aspies for, say, computer jobs. Actually, front-line jobs too. If they can't handle it then don't give them those specific jobs, just like you would with anyone else. <.<



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27 Apr 2012, 9:00 pm

Well, as far as I know, unless your diagnosis is well known to others, then you'd probably be able to lie and get in. I mean it's not like there's a database of people with Aspergers diagnosis that the US government is keeping somewhere that the military looks at. I think the only thing would be, if you knowingly went in with an Aspergers diagnosis, you might get in trouble if things went south during your time in the Army, and if you were discharged, it might be dishonorable discharge or loss of benefits or something to that effect.

I mean the Army already will, say, exclude people with depression or anxiety diagnosis, which many more people are diagnosed with than Aspergers, I'd guess lots of people in the Army probably got a middle school diagnosis of depression, too. I think even if the Army got access to your medical records (and in the case of, say, a therapist you paid cash for, this might be kinda hard) you'd then just have to see a military psychologist and be rediagnosed. So, excluding Aspergers isn't really like, that odd if you think of it that way.

Interesting what you said about the draft, auntblabby. Never knew it was quite like that. I do know Jimmy Hendrix got out of the draft by pretending he was gay in Basic, and Ted Nugent (who was totally pro-Iraq war, gee) got out of the Vietnam draft by sh*****g and pissing in his pants for 2 weeks before going to the recruiting office to make himself look crazy. As far as Aspies in a draft, though, it'd depend on a lot of things. I kinda wonder too, if some Aspies could make, say, a good sniper or really specialist combat role like that, not just a boring computer tech or whatever. In a draft, we'd at least have to cook food, haha.



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27 Apr 2012, 9:21 pm

RobotGreenAlien2 wrote:
pyzzazzyZyzzyva wrote:
Well I guess they can't have an aspie soldier flipping out when action needs to be taken. This, however, does not take into account the benefit Aspie soldiers could provide, being more detail-oriented, among other things.


I was just reading Tony Attwoods book and he said that in some cases Aspies working in the Military or in Emergency rooms keep a level head when everyone is freaking out. I could see how sensory stuff could be a problem but I think they should test each one, boot camp seems to be a good test.

Maybe they're worried about PTSD lawsuits.


That's actually somewhat how I am. I'll be usually perfectly calm while everyone else is freaking out. Like after I got into a car accident where I totalled the car, I felt no negative emotions at all. I just immediately got out of the car, checked damage, called my mother, called the police, and yeah. I didn't feel bad about it at all for like 3-4 days. 3-4 days after of course I was like "I'm the worst person in the world." But immediately after, I didn't feel bad at all. Partially I think when things like that happen, I get extra adrenaline to get me through it.

I also have a friend with NVLD like me, he's the same way. He was a security guard at a hospital, so he actually basically was an orderly, he'd be able to tackle people like it was no big deal. But, he'd retreat into his room and be anxious when his sister brought her friends over. Another example of him, his family was on a boat and freaking out because it was rocking, and he just was completely level headed and cool.

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28 Apr 2012, 6:19 pm

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Excellent. I did not want to risk being ordered to die.


Or ordered to kill someone......

I do think that the Government made a good decisions with this ban because in the end a military force is about combat effectiveness, and that they want to make sure everyone is as ready as possible to serve. We already have too many under-qualified soldiers and have lost combat effectiveness being boged down by AA .Everyone in the world knows our military is weakened by political correctness more than any other country in the world. Countries like China and Russia and Iran may take advantage of that, given that they only allow the best soldiers. when it comes to combat affectivenss everyone needs to be on the same page. A military officer is about honor but utimatley, its aboutwho is the best fighter over all. We aren't anymore, and AA is why.