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HilarityEnsues
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28 Jun 2012, 4:44 pm

Yes it has taken rights away, now the government is allowed to make you purchase something in a supposedly free country.

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28 Jun 2012, 4:46 pm

hanyo wrote:

aghogday wrote:

A person making below $15,300 will not pay a penny for insurance premiums as they will be covered under medicaid.

A family making below $31,100, will not pay a penny for insurance premiums as they will be covered under medicaid.

My household makes less than that. I guess it doesn't apply to me.

Just in case people here know nothing about medicaid it's actually not free for many people. My grandmother had it (not medicare) and had to pay a monthly fee that they call spenddown and my disabled aunt tried to get it and didn't bother because she gets less than 1k a month disability and they wanted her to pay over $70 a month for it.

The Supreme Court wants to limit that however they don't want to limit the part about everyone having to buy health insurance policies.

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28 Jun 2012, 5:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

President Obama's healthcare plan has been upheld by the Supreme Court!
Now, the only thing better would be for truly universal healthcare, with everyone covered by Medicare.
In a related story: Mitt Romney seething with rage and bitter tears that the supreme court has ripped an easy campaign plank from his platform. :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Yeah, Will this law will rally support for republicans. Seeing as how %19 percent of the country is unemployed, 57 million people, who can't even afford to pay bills. How in the hell are those people supposed to buy health insurance with no income? This will be the final nail in Obamas coffin. The democrats lost majority in the 2010 elections due the fact that they passed the 2010 Heathcare Act. The same will happen to Obama this year if dead people don't show up to vote. I swore I would never vote republican, But that just changed. That man filled with rage and bitterness will get my vote in November.

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28 Jun 2012, 6:03 pm

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Well isn't that a surprise *sarcasm*. The USA sees taking care of patients as a big business and nothing more. That's why people are being left to die because they can't afford live-saving treatment, and if they do pay for it they hardly have enough to live afterwards.

how exactly do you come to that conclusion in a discussion about how our Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a plan designed to make healthcare more accessible? Mind you, I'm not talking about the potential effectiveness or ineffectiveness of that plan. Merely pointing out it's intent and that, with so many people supporting it, taking care of patients clearly is important to a lot of Americans, including our politicians.

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28 Jun 2012, 6:14 pm

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The public option would have been much better, but that didn't happen.
And Obama didn't put up much of a fight for his preference, if at all.

Another thing occurred to me, what about all the people who don't believe in or trust modern, conventional allopathic medicine?
They are being forced into a system that goes against their personal beliefs. Health care reaches into ones own spiritual beliefs and it's unfair to force someone to conform to something that goes against their personal belief system.

That's my thing. I pretty much don't believe in modern medicine. I see it as there for if I get hit by a car or something. I had high blood pressure a some time ago, and a doctor told me "I don't think you can get it down just by diet and exercise alone." And I did.

Health insurance is not health insurance, it's the equivalent of buying car insurance and wanting my insurance to pay for changing brake pads and oil.

Well someone's gonna be living the thug life for not being able to afford health insurance in the future... YAY. Glenn Beck, not that he's a very revolutionary smart person or anything, all the healthcare bill the way it'll do now, is get people so mad at having to buy insurance that people will BEG for the public option. So the insurance companies the next few years are gonna cash in and raise the hell out of prices, take the money and run.

As far as a public option, I just can't see it as...working. Regardless of my ideological stances against whether or not it's "good" or not, I can't see it working. Medicare/Medicaid alone costs us 800 billion a year, only covering 40 million people, I can't see it as viable to cover EVERYONE with it, as then the cost would be astronomical. MAYBE, if we cut our defense budget to zero (which is also 800 billion) it MIGHT work, but we know that's not gonna happen...

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28 Jun 2012, 6:52 pm

HilarityEnsues wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Take a breather - - take a breather. After all, you're the neurotypical here.
The reason why people voted in droves against the Democrats in 2010 had more to do with organizing conservative opposition by the Tea Party and Fox Noise, by using half truths and all out lies to besmirch not only the president's policies, but also him personally.
Despite what Republicans will tell you, most opposition to healthcare reform comes from Americans who feel the president didn't go far enough. I seriously doubt they'll side with the forces of reaction, and vote Republican.

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28 Jun 2012, 7:16 pm

Well, I am actually relieved.

If the law was partially struck down (mandate down, rest intact), it could have led to premium hikes, hurting the economy.

I think one of the president's failures was letting the opposition carry the narrative.

I am cautiously optimistic about the impact of the Affordable Care Act.

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28 Jun 2012, 9:39 pm

Will this include healthcare for pets, too?

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28 Jun 2012, 10:11 pm

My big issue with it is that the government can't control spending, use money efficiently, and it's grossly incompetent at managing the healthcare programs it already has. I've had pretty good private insurance, I've had crappy private insurance, and I've had government healthcare before, and I found the crappy private insurance better than the government programs.

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28 Jun 2012, 10:39 pm

John_Browning wrote:

Actually Tri-Care is considered one the best health insurance programs in the country. It's run by the Department of Vetern Affairs, by the way.

Forcing healthy people (like me) to buy insurance will actually most likely bring the cost down. Right now if you're healthy you don't have to buy it so the less healthy people make up the bulk of people who have insurance. Now I have to pay it, the companies make a profit and the people who need it can get health care. While I don't agree with it 100% it's a good first step.

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28 Jun 2012, 11:08 pm

Raptor wrote:

Will this include healthcare for pets, too?

Are you hoping it will?

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29 Jun 2012, 2:13 am

hanyo wrote:

Just in case people here know nothing about medicaid it's actually not free for many people. My grandmother had it (not medicare) and had to pay a monthly fee that they call spenddown and my disabled aunt tried to get it and didn't bother because she gets less than 1k a month disability and they wanted her to pay over $70 a month for it.

it's still less than 1/10th the amount that group death wants to charge me for a real health insurance plan that actually covers something. as it is, all i can afford is a catastrophic plan that just covers emergencies and still leaves me to figure out where to get my bony hands on $10k [that's a whopping $10,000 smackers!] spur of the moment to pay the deductible.

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29 Jun 2012, 6:20 am

RaNg84 wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

TriCare relies heavily on private insurance for administration, VA hospital services are very hit-and-miss, and base hospitals are often unsuited for families with uncommon medical problems and special needs.

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29 Jun 2012, 11:46 am

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Will this include healthcare for pets, too?

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29 Jun 2012, 11:48 pm

Personally, I find it a major disappointment, as the healthcare law in its entirety is one of many violations of the Constitution and individual rights as a whole.

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30 Jun 2012, 2:12 am

LiberalJustice wrote:

Personally, I find it a major disappointment, as the healthcare law in its entirety is one of many violations of the Constitution and individual rights as a whole.

What remains of the Affordable Health Care Act, has been determined to meet constitutional requirements by the Supreme court. The government has the constitutional authority to impose excise taxes, so no individual rights will be violated in collecting the excise tax, for those that that meet criteria to purchase the insurance, that choose not to.

At this point there may be a philosophical question as to whether or not one's individual rights have been violated through the ruled constitutionality of what remains of the act, but technically it is no longer a legal one, unless someone is successful with a lawsuit in the future questioning the constitutionality of another part of the act.

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