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Jasmine90
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15 Dec 2012, 4:15 pm

Well This article is basically saying that autism is the reason for this whole massacre.

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Those on the autistic spectrum have a more limited emotional range and can miss social cues, making it more difficult for them to communicate and feel empathy with others. Difficulties communicating can cause frustration, which can spill over into aggression.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:16 pm

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html

""He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.
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Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him

Several said in separate interviews that it was their understanding that he had a developmental disorder. They said they had been told that the disorder was Asperger syndrome, which is considered to be a high functioning form of autism.""

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Just because kids were told he had that doesn't mean that he did. At most I see him as being misdiagnosed. I know I darn well cannot relate to someone like him, and I think he had something else. If anything, I'm more worried about them thinking people who are smart and lack perfect social skills must have Asperger's, when it can clearly be something else.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:26 pm

Info for Todesking,you can buy a firearm even if you have been institutionalized IF it was a voluntary commitment.You have to check on the form if you have been involuntary committed to a mental health facility.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:35 pm

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Dr.Sanjay Gupta is on CNN mentioning the fact that Autistics do NOT usually commit these acts.He has mentioned a study on 132 Autistics and only three out of that group study had issues with reactive violence but NOT the kind of planning that goes into an attack like this.
And that people should not be rushing to conclusions about the shooter and what issues he was dealing with.

I wonder if the shooter constantly felt worthless, and inadequate which may have led him to such a depressive state where rational thought was no longer possible.
I believe these horrific crime were preventable.
We've got to improve our mental healthcare.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:37 pm

Misslizard wrote:

Wise words.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:40 pm

CNN has an Autism expert Dr. Max Wizniter,pediatric neurologist on saying again that Autistics do not do this,trying to educate people that mental illness is different and again that he may NOT have a definite diagnosis.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:47 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Todesking wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Now there's news the mother bought the guns for her kid that supposedly had some problems with his personality. You have to wonder why some people lack so much judgment. If you are going to buy your kid a lot of handguns, don't be surprised if your kid shoots you one day.

That is called a strawman purchase which is illegal to do. Maybe the shooter had other mental problems that kept him from purchasing the firearms himself, so the mother bought him the firearms. They don't sell firearms to people with mental problems or have been instationalized.

It legal for autistic people to own and purchase firearms. I wonder what mental illness prevented him from purchasing the firearms himself?

I read around the net it's because the guy is under 21 so the mom buys him some guns, probably for birthdays and Christmases but still. Bad idea and she paid the ultimate price for lack of judgment.

You can purchase firearms in most states at 18. Most of my firearm purchases were made at 19.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:50 pm

^^^I read in Connecticut it is twenty-one.

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15 Dec 2012, 4:54 pm

The only people I'm worried about are the ones who don't read about the low statistics, don't follow the experts on CNN etc. They will just jump to an ignorant conclusion, treat us like villains and feed the hysteria. On the other hand, I guess it won't be too likely I'll ever run into someone like that. I guess I'm not going to openly blurt out that I'm "Mildly Autistic" (Since "Asperger" is now an obsolete term).

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15 Dec 2012, 4:54 pm

MikeW999 wrote:

Roxas_XIII wrote:

MikeW999 wrote:

Roxas_XIII wrote:

Goddess DAMN it this is really starting to piss me off. They want to see an Aspie go postal? The next f**** that decides that having Asperger's is an excuse to shoot people at random is going to be down the barrel from MY gun. And I'm a pretty good marksman.

And course doesn't help that the media sees this issue as merely a profitable story (playing off peoples fears == more airtime == $$$). I swear to Goddess this world has gone to sh**. Part of me hopes the Mayans were right and we only have a week left until humanity's extinction. Not that humanity needs a cataclysm to facilitate it's own demise, they're doing a pretty Goddess-damned job of it on their own IMHO.

Please dude. Don't give them more ammo(no pun intended), this is the last thing we need. Show them by making it far in life like Einstein did. We are so intelligent, self reliant and we have put up with a lot of bullying, we are emotionally stronger in that regard. We can get back at them in other ways.

Sorry, but my first reaction to stuff like this is to rant. It's a character flaw of mine, in fact one of a few factors that cost me my relationship with Kyuuchan, so it's something that I'm trying to change. Apparently not quite there yet. Some days are better than others.

That said, I totally agree. I mean, Kyuuchan once told me that the majority of her school teachers thought she was destined to be a knocked up 16-yr-old dropout, and as such, her sole motivation to succeed was so that she could (in her mind) single out everyone at her graduation who said she'd never make it, look directly at them, and raise both of her middle fingers high in the air.

As bad as that sounds, that's a big portion of my drive to become successful, something that has recently been nurtured and encouraged via sudden unforseen opportunities - mainly Kyuuchan deciding I can stay her friend, but also because there's a tech park being built in Laramie that will coincide with my anticipated graduation date, which means if I can get my degree on time there will be several network engineering and sysadmin jobs in my hometown just waiting for a CIS* graduate to fill them.

Don't worry guys. Once I get out there, I'm going to start writing fantasy fiction, and if my high school literary contest is any indication, there's only a matter of time until I make it on the New York Times bestseller list. Then, once I've become a celebrity, I can put my fame to use advocating for the proper consideration of Aspies and autistics. I owe the world that much, at least.

Same here bro. I am 22, I was forced to drop out due to bullying. I am mostly self taught I was a truant from 14 - 17, and spent time in about ten different schools, boarding schools and a boot camp.

I am going to school for programming spring 2013, if you do make it far, don't forget about this aspie! JK.

I too was a high school drop out, bullied relentlessly as a kid and adult, and told repeatedly that I would ever amount to anything. Even by my own family. But the best advice I ever got was to become a woman of altitude and rise above it. So now I have a PhD, and my first book is due out in may. Life is what you make of it, Aspergers gives us the brains and focus to do it better.

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15 Dec 2012, 5:00 pm

Yeah, it's just a coincidence that the two worst school shootings in the last decade (or whatever), that involved body counts in the dozens, were perpetrated by people who, for all appearances, fit the profile of Asperger's perfectly?

Who's usually to blame for this type of thing? Disturbed loner types. Emotionally unstable misfits. Eccentrics who took an unfortunate turn. No correlation with Asperger's there, right?

But let's shut down this important narrative...there are feelings at stake! :roll:

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15 Dec 2012, 5:10 pm

Feelings should be inconsequential to science; if it was indeed true that there is a higher of incidence of violence in aspies than neurotypicals we shouldn't bury our head in the sand.
However there isn't enough conclusive to conclude that there is a correlation between Aspergers and violence. Much more extensive research would be needed.
From what I've seen so far it appears autistics are no more likely to commit such heinous crimes than a neurotypical person.
Until conclusive evidence appears stating otherwise I think you should be very careful in relating the two.

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15 Dec 2012, 5:18 pm

Autistic do have a greater incident of reactive violence,such as meltdowns when overloaded but NOT the type of violence that goes into long term planning of a attack.
If he was Autistic and suffering from a mental illness such as depression,as Clucky mentioned than the mental illness would be the issue,not Autism.

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15 Dec 2012, 5:26 pm

Poke wrote:

Wrong! James Eagan Holmes doesn't have Aspergers. It came out that some of Holmes' acquaintances suspected prior to the shooting that Holmes suffered from mental illness and could be dangerous. Two weeks before the shooting, Holmes sent a text message asking a graduate student if they had heard of the disorder dysphoric mania, and warning the student to stay away from him "because I am bad news."

ASAN Statement on Media Reports Regarding Newtown, CT Shooting -
"Autistic Americans and individuals with other disabilities are no more likely to commit violent crime than non-disabled people. In fact, people with disabilities of all kinds, including autism, are vastly more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the perpetrators."

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15 Dec 2012, 6:48 pm

Lucywlf wrote:

redrobin62 wrote:

What puzzles me...no...completely MYSTIFIES me is the amount of guns Adam Lanza's mother kept in her house in a quiet, crime-free affluent neighborhood with an unpredictable son. To wit:
9mm Glock
9mm Sig Sauer
AR-15 type assault rifle
a Henry repeating rifle
an Enfield rifle
a shotgun

WTH? Was she planning for war? I don't even own a bullet let alone a firearm. Mamas and papas, here's a tip. If you have unstable children, please, don't have firearms in the house. Geez!

Link to Mama's Gun Arsenal

The Henry Repeating Rifle and Enfield Rifle are blackpowder weapons. It would be quite difficult to go on a shooting rampage with either weapon; you'd be brought down before you could reload. I really think they shouldn't have been included in that list.

The others are scary, though.

I don't object at all to gun ownership but I don't like guns personally.

To be historic about this, in the Spanish-American War our troops in Cuba used vintage blackpowder weapons
however the Queen of Spain's troops had been given more modern rifles and they had this as an advantage.
Blackpowder implies an 1800s rifle and is something a collector would pay good money for if in good condition.
its not the two ancient sounding rifles or the shotgun he took to the school, its the three weapons that are much
more modern than an M-16 that he took with him. his mother was recently divorced and a single parent, and had
taken her sons to shooting ranges. the parents had married in New Hampshire and have kin there. that section of
Connecticut is suburban with a very low crime rate. Newtown is actually a small New England town that is tight knit.

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15 Dec 2012, 6:59 pm

the poor woman had homeschooled him presumably to cut down on any bullying and uncomfortable interactions
and was in the habit of putting him under her structure and rules, and supervising him. she had two sons and had
taken he and his brother to local shooting ranges. the family shotgun hints at her ex-husband being a duck hunter.
the neighbors and townspeople do not speak of him acting out in an obvious manner. he is said to have been quiet.

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