Possible explanation comes out: Fear of Being Committed

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A reason insofar as an emotionally disturbed person would see it as, i.e., my mummy doesn't want me! I'm broken and being thrown away! Take that world!

Interesting to see if it was actually true (documents).

there are some unconfirmed quotes saying he didn't feel pain. Althoug maybe he just didn't express it.

It seems like a terrifying condition. The way this girl describes seeing pain in others is a little bone chilling:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/magaz ... d=all&_r=0

That is true about the statistics, but of course our violent crime rate is still incredibly high for a so-called developed country. I also agree we have to look at all the things contributing to the high violence rate. But I think it is reasonable to include reviewing gun policy which are the main tools used in violent crime. I know that changes will likely impinge on legit and law abiding sportsmen & women, but think it is something they have to concede or compromise on, to cooperate in improving our situation. To be effective it must also involve handguns, which are the mainstay of crime as well as the so-called assault type weapons.

P.S. I have been in the past a gun enthusist, and still would of liked to have owned a AR-15 which was closest to my service rifle in the military. But I would be willing to give that and some other things up. I have no doubt that I will be able to keep my hunting rifle and .22 plinker rifle for target shooting.

One thing is for certain regardless of motive. Adam Lanza should have NEVER had access to any guns. I feel sad for the mother but you seriously have to wonder "what the h was she thinking????"

And you also have to wonder, why didn't her friends or family give her some guidance, there? Maybe, "are you sure it's a good idea for Adam to have access to your guns?" Who knows, maybe they did and she was in full denial and assured them it is perfectly safe?

Apparently the whole town had a love of guns. Who knows, mom and/or neighbours could have had equally strong views.

Why should we do something that is ineffective and restricts the rights of innocent people when we know the root problem lies elsewhere? Not only is violent crime falling at a record pace, we've been simultaneously rolling out liberalized concealed carry nation wide and gun sales are also setting records, and have been for years now. Massive gun sales and liberalized gun laws being accompanied by record lows in violent crime don't necessarily imply causation, but they do suggest that guns are not the problem here. We're making headway on the violence problem while simultaneously increasing our firearms freedoms, and outlier events like this, while tragic, do nothing to make the case against the direction we've been going. If we were to get serious about addressing the roots of crime, reexamining the drug war and creating an effective and efficient social safety net, we'd see massive decreases in violence without messing with guns at all. Cause let me tell you, regardless of the attitudes being expressed right now, next week some of the emotion is going to have worn off, the NRA and the rest of the gun rights machinery will have ended their respectful silence, and congress and the rest of the political world is going to remember why that particular lemon is not worth the squeeze. If saving lives is really what you want, pursue an area that's A actually effective and B politically possible.

If she was in the process of having him "committed" why did he have access to guns in the house? She knew he was going to the range a lot and told her friends as much. If I were so concerned about someone as to have them committed, I certainly would lock up the guns first. So I don't really believe this story... until there's some kind of paper trail made public it's not credible, just word of mouth.

Is that so? Do you have some first-hand professional experience dealing with low-functioning adult autistic individuals which is superior to a specialized facility in a country with one of the most efficient health care systems in the world?

Support for the story hasn't developed so far, parts are being contested and a new story put foward.

The new story (supposedly from a friend of the moms) briefly is that the shooter spent most all his time in his room on the computer. The Mom was pushing for him to move out & interact with other people, but had not set a deadline. The shooter stopped talking to the mom completely for three days. On the third day he committed the massacre.

The father of the marine in the first story, the pastor, says the son was talking from heresay and it was not confirmed, and that he didn't provide the son the info.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1223395

If true, that'd be the biggest mistake she ever made.

(Pushing someone with a social disorder to socialize is akin to asking someone to burn themselves. It has to include a desire from the individual themselves for it to be possible, especially when you're dealing with an adult. Pushing to move out would be just as bad.)

If his mother knew he was as nuts as he was (instructing babysitters to never leave him unattended), why did she have guns within reach of her son? Why did she teach him how to use the guns? Why did she not commit him sooner before he had the capability to perpetrate such an act? People who went to play with Adam all stated they thought he was creepy and crazy. He was constantly into trouble as well. What more signs did she need?
Edit: artifacts from restructuring sentences left an unnecessary "did" in the last sentence...

Last edited by CyborgUprising on 19 Dec 2012, 7:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yes, agree it was likely very alarming situation to shooter. His world as he knew it and didn't want to leave, would be ending. If you read the stories of the townspeople, she was very firm in her control of him. He wouldn't move until she told him to move, etc. Obviously on his own in school he could follow instructions, but in the home she was boss, and he got his way by throwing tantrums.

Something must have snapped in a way. She was, it seems, the very last person he was talking to. The dad stated today, the son stopped talking to him once the dad got a new girlfriend two years ago. The mom telling him he needed to go out on his own (something he was not willing to do) was a situation he could not control. And in his mind perhaps warped into a sense of betrayal. That might have resulted in a murder/suicide. Why he did the school massacre is still a big question, unless it was simply desire for vengeance upon society and an egotistical drive to step out of his anonomity in his last act.

I have seen other examples of parents holding onto to mentally disabled or emotionally disturbed kids, that should be in residential programs. They try and they try to work with the kid, and even if its not working, and incidents start occurring it is very difficult for them to put their own child away. They always want to believe in just one more chance.

his father had recently remarried but was very generous in all his alimony payments.
assuming there is no early childhood trauma and a very normal male aspie at 5 i am.
if his mother was getting a 6 digit figure from the alimony and living in a house that
could be a 6 or 7 digit figure on today's depressed real estate market, was his poor
mother trying to move him into an apartment or condo, so as to have a neat nest egg
after a big sale, whether that house is hers or split between her and her ex-hubby?

if the move threatens his routines, his net connection, his lifestyle, and he is trying
to push her away and ultimately lashes out at her, as she is trying to get him to
talk about his feelings, if he did not internalize a moral compass like most aspies
and feels his universe is threatened, did he escallate things very violently? even if
its her guns, where did the backpack's worth of bullets and ammo clips come from?

yes, she had a small gun collection, and i think she may have let him be put on "meds"
and may have wanted him to go in for testing, and he may have been badly hazed in
his 20 years of life, but did he get some online purchases or did he go to a gun shop?
the smashed hard-drive of the computer could indicate a schizophrenia or a methodical
well planned rampage if seen in tandem with any net posting or online gaming. could he
have been hearing voices or was a sadly misdiagnosed paranoid skitz who has acted out?

This sounds like a sad case of a mom who had absolutely no clue about how Aspergers and Autism works and did every single thing wrong in regards to how to handle such a child. It's kinda weird that she was scared of leaving him home alone. Many people with Asperger's would usually embrace home alone time (possibly the best time we can function too). But then this is a woman who had a lot of guns in her home with little security. What more can you say?

^You make a good point that the mom's plans to move probably deeply upsetted him. He probably saw the way she was disciplining him (forcing him to socially interact etc) as threatening and that can cause some serious meltdown issues. If his mom was anything like mine, this would explain alot.