is it ok to ban the hijab??

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Ahhh, you are the innocent one, aren't you ??

*sighs*

Bondage/Discipline/Sado/Masochism

(nasty stuff)

Yeah, I recently went to a store where they always asked for ID when I used my mastercard. I went to pay, as usual, with my mastercard and offered them my license. The clerk refused saying that they can no longer ask for ID because it can be looked at as "racial profiling". Good hell! Meth and identity theft are RAMPANT where I live, so I don't think it's offensive at all that they would ask for ID. Also, if they are asking everyone for ID, how is it profiling? One minority person gets all pissy about having to show their ID so automatically it's racial profiling. It's ridiculous.

So, while I respect people's rights to not wear jeans and tee shirts like "average Americans" (if there is such a thing), I think that political corectness can be overblown. Like if I presented a credit card that had the name "Jung Park" on it, it should be pretty obvious from looking at me that my name is not "Jung Park" (rather, that's the name of the Korean lady that owns a dry cleaning business I use - that's where that name comes from).

I'm all for enforced conformity.



Wait a minute! Who wrote that?

After reading many of the replys on this thread it makes me realise just how difficult we make life for ourselves.

Constantly at odds with one another, constantly judging, constantly comparing and constantly alienating ourselves.

It seems we are perpetually in a state of I, we verses you, them etc nation against nation, religion against religion and so on, get my drift? and yup even here AS v NT and vice versa of course!

When in reality it's all so simple we are each a small fragment of life on this planet, we are each a microcsm of something much larger, the universe, and each one of us regardless of our differences( which should be embraced and celebrated rather than looked upon with what sometimes seems like distaste ) is a small yet significant part which makes up the whole in the rich tapestry of life

oh, wow! Some days I would LOVE to wear this! all flow-y and no body can see in side! If I lived where the wind blew and the sand flew, I could see where this would be real protection.

Course if somebody tried to MAKE me wear it, I would make curtins out of it!

Merle

*Ahem, (clears throat)*

Us, and them
And after all we're only ordinary men.
Me, and you.
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do.
Forward he cried from the rear
and the front rank died.
And the general sat and the lines on the map
moved from side to side.
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who.
Up and down.
But in the end it's only round and round.
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried.
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside.

(Takes a bow)

Well, banks fall under the 'regulation'. CCTV purposes. Anyway, it's only discriminatory, if you're discriminating against a minority.

[i agree
what about banks? i used to work for a huge bank before i found out how racist and judgemental they were and no one was allowed in with there head or face covered yet religious dress is exceptable! [/quote]

Well, banks fall under the 'regulation'. CCTV purposes. Anyway, it's only discriminatory, if you're discriminating against a minority. [/quote]

mmm
i didnt say banks were discrimanatory i said rascist x

I don't see why someone should betray their religion just because people say they don't like it. People are migrating seeking a better way of life, not a worse one (or seeking refuge which is an even worse scenario -> to escape persecution should you have to betray your beliefs?).

And previous goverments with such prejudice values have usually ended up more of dictatorships than democracy.

I'm somewhere in the middle. People can choose not to show their faces but even many Muslims point out that this is a cultural and not a religious thing. British society, in the main, requires that you be able to see someone's face when you talk to them. Until that changes, they should follow the social rules. Otherwise Muslim women are sending out the message that they do not want to be a part of society. And the same goes for the people who come to the UK and then decide they can't (or don't want to) learn the main language of this country: English.

Hey! That's one of my favorite songs!

Hmmm. I suppose that means that during Britain's 350 years involvement in India, for example, you could often find women of English descent speaking fluent Hindi, wearing saris, and worshipping Shiva and Krishna. I'm sure that they fit right in. Just as among the Chinese of Hong Kong, or the Zulus of Natal, the British embraced their new homeland and assimilated completely. *cough*

Having spent most of my life in North America, I see two disparate schools of thought on such matters. One is the current Canadian model, "multiculturalism," which encourages people to retain and rejoice in their cultural differences. The other is the American "melting pot," which accepts that 95% of the population are immigrants or descendants of immigrants, but assumes that everyone wants to fit in within a generation or so. Both of these models have significant problems.

People do move to other countries with no intention of being assimilated into the culture. You can blame the immigrants for their choice, but what of their children or grandchildren? They are as native as anyone else. Multiculturalism sounds like a noble idea -- people of different cultures living alongside each other, accepting and appreciating each other's ways. But what if some immigrants (and their descendants) never accept or appreciate the other cultures of their new country? What if the established population never accept some of the immigrants' traditions? These ideas only work if they are embraced by 100% of the population, and that will never happen.

In practice, I think that most countries are going to wind up following some sort of middle path between the two, but that still provides no answers for those who don't want to be assimilated, or for those who don't want to assimilate. Like any other social ill, cultural clashes will stick around despite our best efforts. All we can do is to try to find a reasonable balance, which doesn't needlessly traumatize either the old immigrants or the new immigrants. And we need to expect complaints no matter what we do, because there will always be some who will be angry with any possible approach. It's never going to be an easy and comfortable aspect of our society.

I think walk a mile in my shoes - coldcut is a good song for the liberal arguement

[ And the same goes for the people who come to the UK and then decide they can't (or don't want to) learn the main language of this country: English.[/quote]
dont get me started on this one try nursing people who cannot speak english
how can you affectively give someone hollistic individualised care if there is such a huge barrier such as language
there are interpreters but there are few and far between and even then for example if you have a romanian interpreter and the patients mainly speak gypsy romanian your stuck
i think if you have children and you go and live in a different country
to ensure that if they ever did need urgent medical intervention you would be able to understand whats going on
there are free english classess available too yet ppl still refuse!

Exactly. If I wanted to go and live in, say, Spain or Portugal I would make a bloody good effort to learn the language. Obviously there are going to be exceptions to this rule (it wouldn't make much sense me to learn Irish if I wanted to go and live in Ireland for example).

What I really don't like the sight of is going to Spain and seeing row upon row of 'English bars', with English lagers and ciders on keg, Union Jacks, pictures of the Queen everywhere and ex-pats whinging about the host country. If they want to be in Britain so much aren't those people better off going back there?

The Polish people I know in England are great. One bloke I know has been in the UK for about two years now and he's picked it up very well. From the conversations we've had I don't think he'll be going back 'home' - home is here now. Sure, he misses some of the food but he realises that things are generally better over here in the UK.

Well, banks fall under the 'regulation'. CCTV purposes. Anyway, it's only discriminatory, if you're discriminating against a minority. [/quote]

Mmm
i didn't say banks were discriminatory i said racist x[/quote]

Same thing. Racism = discriminating on grounds of race.