British soldier killed on street in London

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Its not like there was any question of who did it so why try them? it was quite obvious.

How about actually investigating Islamic mosques and imams up and down the country for extremism?
How about prosecuting Choudary for his crimes - inciting violence and terror - instead of ignoring them? No non-Muslim would be able to get away with saying the things that him and people like him say.
How about investigating how the hell he (and people like him) are openly allowed to make a mockery off the British state by sitting on benefits and openly lasughing at those who work? 'Jihad Seekers' Allowance' anyone?
How about actually deporting and getting rid of foreign hate preachers, and shutting down mosques and cultural centres that regularly host terrorist praisers, genocidal antisemites, murder-inciting homophobes and other bigots?
How about actually enforcing the law by taking these bastards on?
How about admitting that Islamic scriptural admonitions to violence and making war on all non-Muslims and non-Muslim entities that 'insult' or resist Islam's global caliphate wish - jihad bis saif - are at the very root of this problem.

Agreed. But there has to be a process. It's about time the laws got updated though, so in cases like this, instead of going through a long trial, there is a way to fast track it and cut through a lot of crap.

(edit - this was in response to richardbenson's post re trials)

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The goes your Muslim. Different mountain, different god.

ruveyn

Extremists advocating the destruction of your British society while benefiting from said society need to be brought to heel - no right is absolute, even freedom of speech. Just as long as Muslims aren't targeted in witch hunts just for being Muslims.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Meanwhile, a genuinely liberal and forward-thinking Muslim, Pakistani-Canadian Tarek Fatah (a man with balls of steel), cuts right to the thick of it.

The reason why this attack in Woolwich happened is due to one of the defining tenets of Islam itself - jihad.

Idiots who make slightly dodgy comments on Twitter and Facebook are regularly arrested.

Islamists calling for gays to be murdered and for women to be forcibly separated from men are completely ignored or, worse, indulged.



I can't see this happening. The tolerance of the British public is limitless.

Muslims are not the victims here. We are.

Sorry but I do not understand what this means?

Same mountain, same god, different name, as far as I can see.

Muslims have one goal in mind. actually almost all religion does, this is to convert. your government doesn't matter, women and children don't matter and neither do men. Its a nice thought to want to give these guys due process, but they don't play by the same rules as the rest of us. while I don't think you can outlaw religion, you can discourage this type of behavior. they do not care about your country, or its laws. and will use you to try and overtake you, notice how they don't have a problem enjoying all of the benefits of living in western culture only to gripe and complaine about it. If it is so bad why don't they go back to their own country? This is because they want to turn the entire globe under there god awful religious law.

Personally I do not agree with this opening statement. I was in London when this happened and while there was shock and anger life did very much carry on as normal.

What else can you do against an unseen enemy?



This and the rest of the article is entirely accurate.

Interesting theory. "Intolerance" of what, might I ask? What exactly were they unable to "tolerate"?



There's a difference between causing something and being to blame for something. Batman caused the creation of the Joker, but he isn't to blame for what the Joker does. On the other hand, if Gotham doesn't want another Joker to appear, they might want to think about asking Batman to tone it down a little.

Situations like this, sadden me. The incident saddens me, and I feel for the family of the victim. The reaction saddens me too. Why do people feel the need to label all Muslims as terrorists and scumbags? You are using the actions of two extremists to judge hundreds of thousands of people. Doesn't that seem wrong to you in the slightest? The fact that the same people just months ago were telling people not to use Adam Lanza to judge aspies are now using the actions of these two to label Muslims as people who need to be killed.

It's saddening to see, that in response to terrorism, people become a different kind of terrorist. One that doesn't strike with actions, but with words. That spread terror and fear with their words and make innocent people fear for their lives. I will never understand why people do this.

You're lying again. As usual.

No-one has said that all Muslims are scumbags. Very far from that. It should go without saying that some of the disgusting and vile comments seen on Twitter are exactly that. I can understand people being justly pissed off, but the filth that has been written is disgraceful.

We've said that Islam is a brutal ideology, with its separatism, supremacism and hatred and instructions to kill kufr as listed in Quranic and Hadith scripture. As we saw in Woolwich.

The problem is not Muslims, but Islam. Muslims can be and often are wonderful people. Islam is a fascistic theocratic ideology that demands domination and submission of non-Muslims, whomever and wherever they are. They desire a global Islamic empire.

Muslims can and often do change, and are normal people like anyone else. Islam cannot. It's stuck in the 7th century Arab desert.

I wasn't talking about this thread when I said that, I was talking about the filth you mentioned yourself, to which living in England, I have seen far too much of. And I am well aware of some of the more brutal parts of Islam. But I find those parts to be like the verses in the Bible talking about Slavery and Power over women, the sane choose to ignore them.


Sorry for any confusion ^^

They didn't look that careful to me (or actually, they did appear to be careful, i.e., keep on shooting till they stop moving).

The only reason the 2 are still alive is most likely the use of low-velocity, non-fragmenting handgun bullets. Peripheral hits with such are often non-lethal (that's hits outside of the CNS. Even heart wounds can be survived in over half the cases).

Though they probably have lifelong disabling wounds.

When a country dabbles in Crusading as the UK does, these things are bound to happen. It's all part of the game and the people running the country are well aware of that and find that the risks turn to their own advantage. Consolidating the tyranny in the nation is that advantage achieved through exploiting the blowback from their Crusading.